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Short stack move with small pocket pair
hawkeyeK9
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August 24, 2012 - 1:10 am
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This is a $16.50 tourney that had approx 155 runners with 38 left and paying 18. What do you think is the overall best play in this spot with 15-19 bbs in the long run and why? Jam, min-raise/fold, min-raise induce, fold? Thanks.

 

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TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

Hero (CO): BB = 18.5, t9239
whatsa5bet (BTN): BB = 42.0, t21025
pokerrey21 (SB): BB = 28.5, t14236
ronshe (BB): BB = 15.9, t7932
fullerroller (UTG): BB = 11.0, t5501
0ngng070 (UTG+1): BB = 24.6, t12287
XNUKE7 (UTG+2): BB = 21.1, t10531
PikeCounty (MP1): BB = 41.6, t20800
DirtyRiver2177 (MP2): BB = 14.2, t7124

Pre Flop: (t1200) Hero is CO with 3 of clubs 3 of hearts
5 folds, Hero raises to t9189 all in

bennymacca
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August 24, 2012 - 2:12 am
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I prolly fold here and rip 66+

Good spot for the Nash calculator though

Just went through the Nash calculation and it looks like a shove is actually ok. Still though it’s obviously near the bottom of our shoving range so I don’t mind folding

I have also still put this as a winner take all tourney

27.0%, 22+ A2s+ A7o+ K6s+ KTo+ Q8s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo T8s+ 97s+ 87s
BU 11.2%, 55+ A8s+ A9o+ KQs
SB 5.9%, 88+ AJs+ AQo+
BB 5.9%, 88+ AJs+ AQo+
SB 14.5%, 33+ A7s+ A8o+ KJs+ KQo
BB 10.0%, 55+ ATs+ AJo+ KJs+ QTs+ JTs

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August 25, 2012 - 12:05 am
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Think this is a rip everytime. Dont think we should be open folding from this stack with
Any pair from the cutoff against the 3 stacks left to act.

That being said…(assuming we agree)

Should we be inducing with 99+ or AJ+

Or jamming our entire value range to stay balanced?

Last question…where is the earliest position you advocate
Shipping 33 with this stack?
Utg-utg+2 is prob a fold with 22-66?

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August 25, 2012 - 12:33 am
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Interesting post. Seems like under 20bb with the stacks left to act that you should be ripping your whole range. Wouldn’t a raise to induce look like just that?

If the stacks left to act were all 40bb +, I would think we might want to tighten up a bit.

My shoving range might be a bit tighter if any of the stacks left to act were especially loose.

Earliest position really needs to be dependent on the same factors, doesn’t it? The stack sizes left to act and how loose they are. Your table image should probably come into play here too. If you have been ripping from late position once or twice an orbit, thinking players behind you will call you lighter.

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August 26, 2012 - 11:12 pm
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Depends how many tables you are on, if you are mass multi tabling shove, if you are focusing on this tourney I would just fold because your edge is too small in this spot to jam.

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August 27, 2012 - 10:49 am
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I'd imagine that jamming is marginally +ev (which Benny showed actually) but that doesn't necessarily make it the optimal play. If this was a really tough field then jamming is probably best, and against them I would balance my range, jamming the whole lot. But against softer fields it may not be necessary, you may be giving up your edge to take marginally +ev spots risking your stack. I'd feel comfortable jamming a baby pair with around 16bbs there, at 18bbs I am fine with jamming or folding. I don't like to induce in that spot simply because we will get flatted too often (my inducing range is more like 99+ AJs+ AQ+, widening if the table is more competent. If you have for example 1 or 2 supernits behind then opening to fold to their jams is OK for me too.

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August 28, 2012 - 8:01 pm
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Thanks for the comments everyone. Its pretty close.

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