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SHORT STACK , GII PRE with A7s vs EP limp?

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August 21, 2015 - 8:56 pm

#Game No : 556930288
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 556930288 *****
$1,400/$2,800 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #71654181 $1.35 + $0.15 – Table #23 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: starychpoker ( $27,823 )
Seat 2: london_ace ( $24,805 )
Seat 3: pokerheld54 ( $54,980 )
Seat 4: SKurt7 ( $17,074 )
Seat 5: fourAKAs ( $105,326 )
Seat 7: aserhnm ( $123,505 )
Seat 10: p0lyveelmeer ( $12,524 )
pokerheld54 posts ante [$350]
fourAKAs posts ante [$350]
SKurt7 posts ante [$350]
starychpoker posts ante [$350]
london_ace posts ante [$350]
aserhnm posts ante [$350]
p0lyveelmeer posts ante [$350]
SKurt7 posts small blind [$1,400]
fourAKAs posts big blind [$2,800]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ A club , 7 club ]
aserhnm calls [$2,800]
p0lyveelmeer folds
starychpoker folds
london_ace raises [$24,455]
pokerheld54 folds
SKurt7 folds
fourAKAs folds
aserhnm calls [$21,655]
** Dealing flop ** [ As, 8s, 6h ]
** Dealing turn ** [ 4h ]
** Dealing river ** [ 6c ]
** Summary **

Hey Hey

reads – V is terrible , there sizing pre is MASSIVE!

does anyone think shoving pre is ev+? I know we don't have fold equity but given how short vs a wide range of hands we're going to have decent equity and i'm guessing its profitable.

cheers.

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August 22, 2015 - 11:15 am

One of the videos here says bad players have more naked aces in their range. So even though he probably has a super-wide range that you're likely 60% against, he will have A8+ more often than he should.

I think he calls with 66-88, non-ace broadways, A8-AJ and A2s-A9s. (His range is capped if he limped but usually sizes poorly pre.) So then it's just a math problem. But you have 9 bigs, and you need to get chips somehow. Your other option is to hope to open with something better, but in the next 3 hands before the blinds, even if you get another hand like this, you then have to dodge more people, and you still don't have fold equity.

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August 22, 2015 - 2:41 pm

you dont think we have any fold equity if we shove pre with a 8-9bb stack? frown

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August 22, 2015 - 2:42 pm

maybe you mean if someone limps we don't have any fold equity in the next few hands?

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August 23, 2015 - 11:08 am

I'm still learning how to tell what types of stacks have FE. I know live that a shorter stack has more FE than online because it is easier to click a button.

The other thing I said is the earlier in position you shove, the more hands you have to get through to take the pot down. If players' calling range is wider vs. an 8BB shove than a 15BB shove, you're much more likely to run into a hand that will call you.

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