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Set 9's vs 4 card Straight Board - implied Odds justify call?
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February 17, 2011 - 5:10 pm
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No info on table play yet, havent seen anything crazy. I limp multi player into an unraised pot.

Fairly scary board, not actualy sure why I just called the CBet – but I did. I hit my 9 and checked; a different villian donk bets turn (I think I needed to bet in that spot confused) , action then folds to me. 

I wanted to flat and see a card in this spot. My thinking was if I hit he goes broke, and if I miss I simply fold to his bet. 

 

I just didnt like the board enough to to raise his bet. After he bets the hand, I like my stack and the implied odds and just want to see a card and decide what to do on the river.

River bet just stinks value bet and I actualy fold to the weak bet.

Posted the entire hand history since I did fold on the river so there was no results except my fold.

Thoughts on this hand at this stage in MTT ?

Thx!

Kevin

 

Full Tilt Poker Daily Dollar Rebuy No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t60/t120 Blinds – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

Comanco (UTG): t6360 53 BBs
petricatpp (UTG+1): t1200 10 BBs
manoliko (UTG+2): t4235 35.29 BBs
boserup (MP1): t4210 35.08 BBs
majosa (MP2): t7560 63 BBs
cabarom (CO): t5840 48.67 BBs
sudar01 (BTN): t14275 118.96 BBs
AKluvR (SB): t13675 113.96 BBs
therooky666 (BB): t4835 40.29 BBs

Pre Flop: (t180) AKluvR is SB with 9 of diamonds 9 of hearts
Comanco calls t120, 1 fold, manoliko calls t120, 2 folds, cabarom calls t120, sudar01 calls t120, AKluvR calls t60, therooky666 checks

Flop: (t720) 8 of clubs 7 of clubs J of spades (6 players)
AKluvR checks, therooky666 checks, Comanco checks, manoliko checks, cabarom bets t360, sudar01 folds, AKluvR calls t360, therooky666 folds, Comanco calls t360, manoliko calls t360

Turn: (t2160) 9 of spades (4 players)
AKluvR checks, Comanco bets t1440, manoliko folds, cabarom folds, AKluvR calls t1440

River: (t5040) 6 of diamonds (2 players)
AKluvR checks, Comanco bets t1260, AKluvR folds

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February 17, 2011 - 6:55 pm
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99 in sb four in front limp and no raise? I'd pump that preflop with 660 in there maybe pot size or not much less. The problem you face on the turn is a result of playing passive much earlier in the hand. A little agression can clear junk, give you a chance to see if anyone is limping with a monster, and build you a bigger pot with a better chance to take it down. The way you played it I would have called the river for two reasons might have the best hand (not at all likely), or the only value left for you is to show how bad you played that hand (advertisment for future hands that you will play better).

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February 17, 2011 - 7:29 pm
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Just calling from the sb with that many limpers in the pot is fine. If you raise pre, you are creating a really big pot oop and its a 1$ tourney, so you are going to get at least one caller I guess. I never raise pre in this spot. Checking the flop is also fine, just doesnt make any sense to lead into this wet board. Calling the flop was what really got u into trouble. I dont like it at all. Just find the fold button there. As played, I would fold the turn. He has a ten there a lot of the time, but in those kind of tourney I could see him having like a A8 A7 of spades too. So you called the turn, and I think as played you have to call the river. You are getting sick odds. Honestly, I only like how u played the hand preflop. The rest of it is pretty marginal. Find a fold in a multiway pot with such a wet board. Its just not worth it.

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February 17, 2011 - 9:18 pm
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senseability said:

Just calling from the sb with that many limpers in the pot is fine. If you raise pre, you are creating a really big pot oop and its a 1$ tourney, so you are going to get at least one caller I guess. I never raise pre in this spot. Checking the flop is also fine, just doesnt make any sense to lead into this wet board. Calling the flop was what really got u into trouble. I dont like it at all. Just find the fold button there. As played, I would fold the turn. He has a ten there a lot of the time, but in those kind of tourney I could see him having like a A8 A7 of spades too. So you called the turn, and I think as played you have to call the river. You are getting sick odds. Honestly, I only like how u played the hand preflop. The rest of it is pretty marginal. Find a fold in a multiway pot with such a wet board. Its just not worth it.


I dont disagree Senseability the logic of your post seems dead on to me….it was just strange that I had studied a hand very similiar to this in the morning – I am not saying the logic is correct but here is what I was thinking when I played it like I did.  Really just trying to get my head around the thought on how to play this taking advantage of implied odds vs. limiting my losses.

1. I believed he had the T and maybe a flush draw with it (AsTs,KsTs,QsTs,…few other combo's possible)

2. I call 1444 to win 3060 from the pot

3. Implied odds gives me his stack of 4440 if my card hits

4. If I understand implied odds correctly I can call 1440 (<15% of my stack) to win 7500> I figure to be a 25-75 dog against hitting 1 of my 10 outs. 

The call just seemed to be the most cautious approach to bust the guy or limit my losses ( by not shoving into a hand that I was almost certain had gotten there already)

 

After reading your reply I have to agree with what you posted, however I cant get away from thinking calling 1444 to win 7500 is not to terrbile.

Is this just failed thinking on my part ?

Thx,

Kevin

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February 18, 2011 - 9:34 am
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I dont think you are getting the right odds. I mean, I dont like calling the turn with the intention of folding, if you dont hit your boat. And even if you do, you cant really be sure, he is stacking of – although I would assume he couldnt fold a straight there. There are some flush cards, that make you a full house and he could assume you were on a flush draw or had trips. I mean, you cant be 100% sure, that he pays you, when you hit. But as I said, you got yourself in a tought spot, by calling that flop imo.

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