it’s rather interesting though , with our draws , would you consider ck/shoving 30bb too much?

would you take a different line at those effective stacks, maybe c/r flop and shove turn? or c/c flop and ck/shove turn? 

would our post flop line be different if V had opened from EP rather then LP? Yes i think it would matter because EP range is likely to be tighter which means he’s not folding to a c/r on the flop that often compared to LP as there range is wider so they are missing flop more often. V may decide to 3-bet shove on the flop then we have to call with our draw or they may decide to call our raise on the flop and call our shove ott with a hand like Kx. basically we may have less fold equity against an ep opener rather then a mp/lp opener. however i guess there’s still a lot of merit because usually we will have around 34% equity when we do get the money in?

yeah that’s balanced.

how comes your leading 8x 9x though? what i find intresting is c/c and then leading turn , i mean which turn cards are you leading on? i’m going to assume you’re probably leading when you hit and miss your flushes. 

The thing is if we c/c flop and lead turn , what hands are we getting v to fold? what would their betting range look like on the flop? we’re obv not going to get them of a hand like AK/KQ/KJ. So the hands which we could perhaps get them off is maybe ace high hands if we lead or maybe pocket pairs which they’ve bet for thin value/protection , hands like QQ/JJ/TT are betting flop , they might call turn though and fold to a shove on the river. 

we know the flop already , let’s just the turn is 3 and hero leads, v is calling with pocket pairs hands like 9x weaker Kx and jamming a hand like TPGK or better right? so when v calls the turn their range is going to be either draws/marginal hands , i’d say draws are highly discounted as they’ll be probably shove those on the turn when faced a lead imo, unless they are a weak player.  so lets say they call and the river is a blank 8 if we do decide to shove river which im guessing we will,  since we can break down V range to marginal hands and maybe draws, plus this hand has no STD either.  so yeah that line seems good c/c flop and lead turn and shove most rivers. (i’d prefer this line if we were deeper though) Which river cards would you c/f though? i mean if the river is A are we giving up there?  i really don’t think the A changes much IMO , v would of folded all their ace high hands ott and called with A9o which is not folding otr since they now got two pair. Is there any rivers we are c/f? lol

the question is now what is the top of hero’s range when they take this line which is c/c lead turn and shove river? if i was v i’d discount strong hands from hero;s range because if we did have a strong hand we probably would of raised flop , though we cant discount it fully. when we lead turn we could of improved to two pair though with a hand like K8/98 , so i guess its a tough spot for v to call a river shove with a hand like TT here.