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second level of big 22 top pair facing river bet
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big 22 today, blinds 15/30 second level all three stacks roughly 3000. Middle position limper  i raise in cut off aqoff,

bb calls limper calls flop 633 two hearts bb check limper check  i check turn q offsuit bb bet 210 limper folds i call, (210 into 300 big bet i was worried already) river 5 hearts he bets 450 into like 700 i tank fold, is it possible hes trying to value bet qj or q10 or kq here? I just thought it was second level of tourney i made this call before and find out i am crushed is this ok fold or bad one?

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Definitely not the easiest fold to make in given tournament. So many fish clicking buttons in all the “bigs” that he might not know if he is valueing KQ, QJ, Qx etc. or randomly bluffing early. Call isn't the worst or anything but I also don't hate a fold since you still have a ton of chips and can find a million softer spots in this tourney once you have some more info.

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Not sure it's a flush draw when he comes out betting this big and how many 3x can really be in someone's range? 

A3 but we have a blocker to combos. And then the low connectors and one gappers are possible but terrible preflop calls so we can't give those too much weight. 

66 is definitely possible. 

He isn't repping a whole lot and since we can't be outkicked with our top pair I'm inclined to call here. 

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in hindsight i think i should have called he could be bluffing also he maybe betting qj kq likely i suppose although i really dont like his line with qj kq but could be

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Hard to tell if his sizing is for value or to chase you off the hand, the fact you checked flop I would lean towards the latter so I’d tend to think his holdings are behind your hand. He could have made the flush or hit his 55 on the river but you only have to be right just more than 1 in 4 times for this to be profitable. If he has stats which suggests he’s from nittsville then you could give it up but most of the time I’m calling here I think.

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if you post the hand histrories it would be much easier to read them smile

 

I can't find a fold here tbh, you're hand seems underrepped with this line up to the river, so it could very well be a worse Q looking for value, a straight out bluff or flush. but as some people have already stated, would he bet that big with a flush? has villain shown down any hands to get any reads off him so far? and how many 3x are in his range? not many i dont feel, I happily (not joyfully) call here smile

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DannyN13 said:

Call isn't the worst or anything but I also don't hate a fold since you still have a ton of chips and can find a million softer spots in this tourney once you have some more info.

 

I really like this advice Danny, and don't use it enough embarassed

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As aggressor IP we should be cbetting this board(You didnt mention if you had the A or Q of hearts which is helpful in spots like these).  But either way we should be c betting here for a number of reasons. 

 

1. We get value from draws

 

2. We get information

 

3. We can save some heartache in later streets.

 

As played the turn call is good.  Raising here could work if you have a read on the villain, but calling is the default.

 

The river has to be a call.  He could easibly have a flush draw and got there, but if he did congrats.  its unlikely, looking at your hand from his perspective, you ever hit the flush or have a strong hand.  You basically have a capped range that will randomly have 66 in it.  He coudl easily think any Q is good ehre and he should be betting(for the sole reason that any hand that beats a dry queen here WILL be betting the river checked too, so hes losing a bet no matter what unless he plans on c/f'ing).  So you should call. 

 

This is also a spot where you will see people bluff a lot, especially at these stakes when they dont bluff credible lines.

 

Call river.

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