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River Suckout? Or played bad? trip JJJ on turn
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July 6, 2014 - 10:12 pm
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This is from a $5.50+R on stars. We are about 110 left and ITM, but payouts are very small before the FT, so I think playing mainly cEV is advised.

Villain is a very profitable reg, definitly knows what he's doing.

On the river I almost folded, but then again I thought he may do the same play with a lower set or AK. Still unlikely I guess.. I wonder if I should have made a bigger bet on the turn? If I knew his hand, sure, but I wanted him to call with almost all his range that has showdown value.
I know that checking the flop would be standard, I didn't put him on an Ax often, though (he would probably try to resteal with small aces), so I was pretty sure to be ahead OTF.

Here is the HH:

Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t800/t1600 Blinds + t275 – 9 players

UTG+1: BB = 23.8, t38000
UTG+2: BB = 17.9, t28708
MP1: BB = 17.7, t28330
Hero (MP2): BB = 67.6, t108188
CO: BB = 25.6, t40978
BTN: BB = 52.3, t83612
SB: BB = 39.5, t63279
BB: BB = 32.4, t51889
UTG: BB = 24.3, t38931

Pre Flop: (t4875) Hero is MP2 with J of clubs J of hearts
4 folds, Hero raises to t3472, 1 fold, BTN calls t3472, 2 folds

Flop: (t11819) 9 of hearts 7 of spades A of diamonds (2 players)
Hero bets t4136, BTN calls t4136

Turn: (t20091) J of spades (2 players)
Hero bets t8000, BTN calls t8000

River: (t36091) K of clubs (2 players)
Hero bets t12631, BTN raises to t34591, Hero calls t21960

Final Pot: t105273
Hero mucks J of clubs J of hearts
BTN shows Q of clubs T of clubs (a straight, Ten to Ace)
BTN wins t105273

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I don't think that by the river I could fold this.  His river raise seems well sized considering the action.

As you said yourself, the flop could have been a check.  But if feel that your opponent would have 3bet an Ace preflop, and/or if you feel he will call your value Cbet with hands worse than JJ, maybe it wasn't a mistake to bet.

Once the flop was bet I think you did everything really well and got coolered.

I'm not a coach so I would still look forward to a coach's response.

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I think it's a nice hand. I might go a little bigger on each street, especially turn once the board gets super drawy, but if that's your standard sizing I think it's probably absolutely fine. Well played. It's really hard to put the villain on QT, he probably doesn't flat T8 pre much, he can have the occasional weaker set too. I like it.

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I'm not sure how often we'll see a set here given Villain's flat on the turn to Hero's small bet – I'd expect to see a raise more often than not.

 

I think we need to bet bigger on the turn to get value from Villain's Ax.  In a $5r most Villain's will have a hard time folding top pair.  11111 feels good to me on the turn, and then we can bet the river on the smaller side if needs be to get an obligatory type call.

 

I'm not a good maths guy but I suspect his range is more weighted towards Ax combos when he calls the Cbet than 9x or 7x etc.  Discounting random floats for the time being, therefore, whilst our small turn bet may get more calls from the weaker part of his range, I think we'll make more overall going after the extra chips when he has Ax than betting smaller and targetting his whole range (he may fold turn anyway with 7x).  I'm not sure I've managed to get across what I'm trying to say here very well but hopefully this makes sense!  Of course you may not agree anyway since this is only my gut instinct.

 

I tend to think that small stakes Villains play too honest on Ace high flops and I'm not really giving them too much credit for random floats in a $5r, so thanks for posting as my thinking may be too simplistic.  Honestly, on the river I'm thinking wtf got there because I just don't see this line as a bluff ever (as I said it may be a hole in my thinking that I'm not giving enough credit to enough Villains!).  I guess I'm hoping he has AK!

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