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April 30, 2015
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Hi guys,
I am throwing open a discussion on a live hand I played today. Judging from the topic it may be clear for most of you that this is a hand where I lost a lot of chips trying to pursue my read. Here’s what happened –
$125 live turbo MTT with 10k starting stack and 15min levels…
Blinds: 300-600-75; Average is 14k; 100/158 remaining, 18 in the money..
UTG (14k): limps for 600
Hero: CO (47k); A
7 – limps for 600
D(11k): limps
SB limps.
Villain BB(27k): Raises to 2400
I have been just moved to this table and haven’t seen many hands to get a good read on opponents. My limping with A7 is really bad, I agree, but there is usually lot of limpers in this tournament even with hands like AJo and I didn’t want to raise with this hand, get called and don’t know where I am at. Villain is a typical asian guy in his 40s, and I can almost say immediately that he is more of a loose player. When he raises, I am totally putting him on a steal 7 out of 10 times.
I choose to call the raise and so does the SB.
Flop: Q
72
; Pot: 9150
SB checks, BB bets 4500 (doesn’t count out the chips.. just throws some chips in..). I am very sure I am ahead and I call. SB folds
Turn: 8
; Pot: 18150
BB bets 10k, leaving ~7k behind. I raise him all-in and he calls me with 82o, and it holds.
Now, there are a million mistakes the way I played PF, on the flop or turn. Please do slap some sense into me for those mistakes, but also comment on whether you guys will risk such a big stack if you absolutely knew the villain was BS-ing into you. Do you chalk this up to variance and move on? Is there any value in not getting involved calling the attempted steal with a marginal hand, even though you are 80% certain you have a better hand? I am not trying to be result-oriented here, but this is typically how I play in such situations and except for the pre-flop limp, everything else doesn’t seem to be that bad a thing to me. But please critique me as to how else I could improve in these situations.
P.S. it did totally SUCK when the villain sheepishly grinned after the hand and said “I just wanted to steal pre-flop..”, making me fume with silent expletives
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September 29, 2012
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1. There’s nothing wrong with raising the limper in position. Sure your hand may be worse, but you are not specifically raising due to your hand strength, but to use initiative to win the pot. If the raise gets the rest of the table to fold and he totally misses, which happens 60% of the time he most likely will check fold. Don’t always worry about “knowing where you are at” especially so early in the hand. If he’s still in on the turn, then worry about it.
2. Once you determined that he could be bluffing never once did you stop to consider his whole range. This is something I see players do often. When he raises preflop he could have monsters as well. In general, your hand is in the middle. You are behind all of his value raises and ahead of all of his bluffs and you could flop we well this hand. Problem is, you are not getting good implied odds to draw against his monsters.
3. If his raise has enough bluffs in his range, you could consider 3 betting him, you are just a little large to shove, but shoving wouldn’t be the worst option you could make there. If not 3 betting to about 6k is ok.
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December 6, 2012
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Raising is better than calling pre. The fact that lots of other people are limping doesn’t make it any better for you to do it. And like pregler said, poker isn’t about knowing “where you’re at.”
It seems awfully premature to conclude V is so likely to be raising a weak hand, but if you’re really that sure, then you can just shove pre-flop. As played, I would definitely shove the flop. You’ve only got about a single PSB behind after you call the flop bet, there are lots of bad turns for you, and I’m not so confident that V will keep firing (if you think he will, then your line is fine).
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August 25, 2012
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I hear things like that a lot, “I put villain on a steal” and the like. I’m always confused by it. Does villain not have any equity in the pot at all? Does he have nothing in his hand but a Snickers wrapper and the card with the hand rankings on it? He has to at least have two cards between a deuce and an Ace!
It’s really, really, really important to put villain on a range here, not just ‘a steal’. He can obviously have a strong hand here sometimes (unless you think he wouldn’t raise with his strong hands, but that wouldn’t make any sense), so you need to figure out how likely that is.
If it’s really, really unlikely and he would literally make this play with any two cards with 100% frequency (a very unlikely scenario) then your postflop line is probably fine, but there are a lot of other options here that could have been more profitable. Andrew suggested three of them – raising the limper preflop, raising over the ‘steal’ preflop, or shoving the flop – and I think you’d find it a lot easier to choose between those options if you put villain on a realistic range of hands.
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