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December 24, 2013
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not sure which tournament this is, effective stack is 10k at 25/50
utg+2 raises to 150
hero flats 150 KK
mp flat, co flat
sb and blinds call.
(900) 6 players 9d6h2s
checks, hero bets 375, mp calls, co calls, sb calls
(2400) 4 players 9d6h2s8c
sb checks, hero bets 950, co calls
(4300) 2 players 9d6h2s8c5c
hero checks, co bets 2867, hero folds
Is this just a bad run out that I always have to check fold? I guess the other rivers like that are 9, 7, 5, T which is 15 cards, or a third of the deck. Because of this, I feel like I probably have a range issue somewhere in here. Preflop I mixin both 3bets and calls, but I think I'm mostly calling usually. I'm open to hear criticisms.
April 30, 2015
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I like the bet sizing on the flop and turn. But I am not at all happy with checking the river. If you were betting less than 1/2 pot all this while, I would take the same line on the river. I think most 1-pair hands will call, and you are way ahead of them. May I know what is the reason for your check on river? Was it to induce the villain to stab and we do a check-call? Or were you giving up on the pot on the river and hence you check (hope it is unlikely)?? As played as well, I call the river bet. If you lose to A7 or 98 or 77 then so be it..
December 24, 2013
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I checked because this is a runout that I thought should bind me to check my whole range. I don't know if villain is polarized when he bets, which makes my decision more difficult, wanting me to fold. If checked to, I would certainly bet 2 pair, so I have to think that because villain can have 98 in there, I might need to just ck/fold.
If I three barrel this river, ignoring the board texture, to get a one pair hand to call, I think all 1 pairs fold. I think two pair calls+, so imo betting would only be ideal if the EV is higher than checking.
April 30, 2015
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I see your point. Makes a lot of sense. If stacks were short, the line taken on each street would be different. I have a very hard time folding a strong hand being this deep, since the average player always thinks he can afford to bluff the river to scoop a good pot. If the average player even has one pair, I think he would love to value it. In fact, if I had 98 in the villain's spot, I am even betting the flop since I have top pair with a bad kicker. I want hands like KQ to fold and not catch their card on the turn. So, in my ranging, I am discounting 98.. The best hands I can put him apart from top pair or over pair are obviously sets, but a set might raise you on the turn? And also 77 or A7 as he gets open ended on the turn and is interested to just call your turn bet.
May be that is a totally incorrect way to look at this hand, but hey! that's how I can learn :). TPE pros, I call upon thee and thy knowledge!
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December 6, 2012
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I don't hate pre-flop against tough opponents but in a field full of loose/bad players, you should probably just always raise. I don't know why you're betting so small on flop and turn, though. What are your value targets? Why do you think they won't call bigger bets?
This is a runout that probably favors the in-position players, and to some extent that's just bad luck and not something to sweat too hard. With KK, I think you just have to check-fold. The more interesting question is how you should play 97s or A7s if you show up with those. If you are worried about your opponent bluffing here and also think he'll value bet hands like 98, it seems to me that checking a 7 on the river would be pretty good for you.
December 24, 2013
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I agree vs a table of weaker opponents I should be 3bettng. I guess I'm just hoping I'm going to induce. We're like 200bb deep and people spew hard in the monster stack tournaments. My bet sizing is small because I'm guessing I won't be called down with weak one pair hands vs big sizing. However, I don't know if that's true. If it were true, value hands aren't where I'd make money at all. I'd make it just bombing flop and turn and getting way more folds than I deserve. How big do you think I can go on the flop? I'm really unsure here because if I keep my sizing low, I can keep in JTs and KQhh and stuff, whereas they almost certainly fold to a bigger bet.
The more that I think about it, I'm actually not sure if villain will bluff river. I just assume he won't have anything to bluff with that he'd be capable of bluffing. If I were to take this sizing on this line, I'd induce because then he could have JT QT in his range, 32 combos of air, and the other hands are less than that. sets is like 9 combos, two pair maybe 18 combos. If I bet, the air could bluff maybe I guess, but probably just folds. The two pair and sets face an iffy decision but I'm probably called if I use a small sizing. If I check, the air could bluff and the two pair+sets COULD value bet. I'm not sure though. I'm guessing how he'd play really. Which is why I just bet bet ck/fold. Id be protected by having straights and checking them as well.
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