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June 14, 2013
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Poker Stars $3.19+$0.31 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t300/t600 Blinds + t50 – 8 players – View hand 2317677
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Snout19 (BTN): BB = 38.0, t22799
renrew187 (SB): BB = 19.1, t11451
IMrLLanosI (BB): BB = 12.2, t7290
$davimeurei$ (UTG): BB = 46.7, t28032
Hero (UTG+1): BB = 16.8, t10100
villya43 (MP1): BB = 23.9, t14353
sniper8225 (MP2): BB = 19.3, t11605
Bigniux (CO): BB = 26.9, t16145
Pre Flop: (t1300) Hero is UTG+1 with A
K
1 fold, Hero raises to t1200, villya43 raises to t4800, 2 folds, Snout19 raises to t8400, 1 fold, IMrLLanosI calls t6640 all in, 1 fold
I doubled trough someone one orbit before. Nothing special.
Villya43 has been active the past few hands but I give him credit for a decent range with his 3bet.
Snout seems like a reg and has a great stack to play with. Monster alert.
MrLlanos seems like a reg as well. His stack is still playable in this phase so I wouldnt count any suited connectors because it might flop well.
We're in the middle stage with about 70 ppl left of a 180 man sng.
15bb to play with. Will you be going for a monster stack in this spot? Does having monsterstack for a turbo outweigh the big probability of being crushed by their aggregate range?
I actually said to myself I'm making a very disciplined fold. Not many people fold AK in tournaments. I hope this brings a small discussion.
(Why is my post so ****ed up lol.... When I check the HTML it says I added a <pre> to almost every line automatically)
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June 11, 2012
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level?
January 27, 2013
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I'd fold other players have shown too much strength that if you shove you're going to see AA KK from someone, i don't get your assumption on MrLlanos having a playable stack hes just called off 90% of his stack so hes basically all in. For how the hand looks i'd be saying **** my life but calling with QQ but probably folding JJ is this way too tight?
August 31, 2013
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First I'm probably juste open shoving that w/ 16BB.
Second, I don't think the 3bettor often has AA/KK with this sizing (and you have two blockers). The other guy only has 12BB so he can be shoving pretty wide here.
Third, this is a turbo, ranges are more wide, you have to take some risks (in your case this is not a risk imo) to built a stack.
January 27, 2013
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Yeah shoving pre would be better
what range do you think the 4 better has? its him im worried about
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September 28, 2012
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Snout looks pretty nutty here, not too worried about villya. The over call is meh, a little concerning but not the worse. With this being a turbo I would be slightly more cinlined to gambler here, but never happy about it. AKs I prob never fold though.
I also disagree with everyone saying shove pre, this eliminates a lot of the light opening from your rnage and is a bad habit to get into. It polarizies your not shoving raising range mroe than I think people want, or should be in this spot. If the table was very aggro or sationy I might shove here(or do something like 3x if they are bad), but in general find we are just playing scared with a shove here. prob shoving 14BB<.
My ranges for them given everything(on a friends laptop since my broke so dont have stove to run the calc):
villya: 88-KK, AJs-AQs, AQo
Snout: JJ-AA, AK
ImrLL: 99-AA,AQs+
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January 27, 2013
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put it through stove if anyone wants the percentages
villya- 22.2%
Snout- 32.9%
ImrLL- 28.4% which give our AKo 16.5%
but if villya were to fold not sure how often that'd be the case then
our AK goes up to 27.8%
So if villya had a decent 3betting range from ur read then i'd fold keep the 16bb and look for a better spot
August 31, 2013
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CCuster 911 said:
I also disagree with everyone saying shove pre, this eliminates a lot of the light opening from your rnage and is a bad habit to get into.
If you think nobody is going to flat you after your raise but just 3bet or fold so minraise >>>>>>>>>> shoving. I'm playing on french room with a really fishy field and when you minraise 16BB deep you are pretty sure you are gonna get call at least 1 or 2 times so it's why I took the habit of shoving and avoid a tricky spot postflop. I'm not balanced at all (minraising AA/KK and shoving 88/AK) just because nobody is going to exploit me on that. Against better players yes I'm probably minraising my all range here (even if I don't like minraise/folding 16BB deep)
About the hand I totally missread the action, didn't see the 4bet of snout. So yes not really happy about this spot but as it's a turbo I'm probably gambling (but the range of snout is probably QQ+/AK here). It's the other benefit of shoving pre, you don't have to take this kind of decision (just joking 
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July 3, 2010
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Getting flatted when you open AK is definitely not the worst thing in the world.
You're removing far too many hands and scenarios when you open shove.
August 31, 2013
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FkCoolers said:
Getting flatted when you open AK is definitely not the worst thing in the world.
You're removing far too many hands and scenarios when you open shove.
On a fishy table I think shoving >> minraising for many reasons:
– When you shove they are going to call the same range they are reshoving
– They will call the shove with hand like ATo or KQ but if you minraise they will sometimes just flat and X/F flop when they miss so you are missing a lot of value
– 16BB deep your post flop plays are limited, you only have two streets of betting so when you missed the flop it will be hard to win the pot against a calling station (especially if the pot is multiway).
– If you cbet they will have the perfect stack size to X/shove with anything and Cbet/folding is pretty terrible with 16BB imo as you will be down to a 10BB stack.
– I think minraising 16BB UTG looks way stronger that just open shoving so it's not going to induce a lot of light reshoves imo.
– I'm not minraise/folding a 16BB stack so don't have to be balanced. On a fishy table I'm just shoving my all range except with AA/KK. I can minraise hands like 99 or AK/AQ in certain spot (I.E. I'm on the button with two maniacs in the blinds)
I tried both and in my experience on a fishy field shoving > minraise. On a reggy field, espcially if people know you have a minraise/fold range minraising > shoving imo
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September 28, 2012
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ALthough both shoving and min rasiing are obviously +EV I think you are falling into the trap of selection bias. With shoving, you are almsot always in good shape, and you never have any hard decisions. WIth min raising there are going to be times you lose a c bet, or times they flop great and you flop decent and lose your stack getting it in really bad.
You remember these more than you remember the times it doesnt happen. So it seems liek you are constantly losing hands when you min raise when you are def winning a majority of them.
In a TRUE fishy game where everyone is making bad shoving calls, I would prefer a 3-3.5x here over a shove. Allows them to bleed with the stationy hands, makes psotflop easy(bet/call all day every flop), and stil give sroom for bad fish to spaz. But I come from the thought process practice makes perfect, meaning getting into habits like this(shoving not slectively raising big), will trasnalte into tougher fields becuae you are not used to tricky post flop spots. Getting comfotable with all types of players post at the low stakes(while still curshing) and the transition to tougher fields becomes easier.
I am not justifying min raising being worse than shoving, I honestly thnik its still better at these stakes. But its a thing we almost will enver know for sure.
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August 8, 2013
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PowMT said:
Poker Stars $3.19+$0.31 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t300/t600 Blinds + t50 – 8 players – View hand 2317677
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History ConverterSnout19 (BTN): BB = 38.0, t22799
renrew187 (SB): BB = 19.1, t11451
IMrLLanosI (BB): BB = 12.2, t7290
$davimeurei$ (UTG): BB = 46.7, t28032
Hero (UTG+1): BB = 16.8, t10100
villya43 (MP1): BB = 23.9, t14353
sniper8225 (MP2): BB = 19.3, t11605
Bigniux (CO): BB = 26.9, t16145Pre Flop: (t1300) Hero is UTG+1 with A
1 fold, Hero raises to t1200, villya43 raises to t4800, 2 folds, Snout19 raises to t8400, 1 fold, IMrLLanosI calls t6640 all in, 1 foldI doubled trough someone one orbit before. Nothing special.Villya43 has been active the past few hands but I give him credit for a decent range with his 3bet.Snout seems like a reg and has a great stack to play with. Monster alert.MrLlanos seems like a reg as well. His stack is still playable in this phase so I wouldnt count any suited connectors because it might flop well.We're in the middle stage with about 70 ppl left of a 180 man sng.15bb to play with. Will you be going for a monster stack in this spot? Does having monsterstack for a turbo outweigh the big probability of being crushed by their aggregate range?I actually said to myself I'm making a very disciplined fold. Not many people fold AK in tournaments. I hope this brings a small discussion.(Why is my post so ****ed up lol.... When I check the HTML it says I added a <pre> to almost every line automatically)
Soooo much money in the pot, yes you are probably up against JJ/TT, AQ etc. If someone has AA well, that sucks. Fist pump and shove here. Yes you are flipping but you are in a $3 turbo and people are just so bad that you are going to see 22, 88, ATo etc here so much that I think folding is bad. Open shoving pre is fine also, but I think you fold out a lot of Ax hands that you want in this pot.
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