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Question to ask myself before 4 bet shoving

Wappie

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November 25, 2014 - 7:07 am

Poker Stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t50/t100 Blinds – 9 players – View hand 2615614
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG+1): t2094 20.94 BBs
KmwUA (UTG+2): t3068 30.68 BBs
askiz (MP1): t3650 36.50 BBs
oleg666 (MP2): t7347 73.47 BBs
3betbluff333 (CO): t1527 15.27 BBs
t7t7slam (BTN): t1512 15.12 BBs
Oleg mordvin (SB): t4931 49.31 BBs
ladygin.r (BB): t3385 33.85 BBs
Behruz_420 (UTG): t3969 39.69 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is UTG+1 with J of diamonds J of hearts
1 fold, Hero raises to t300, 1 fold, askiz raises to t800, 5 folds, Hero raises to t2094 all in, askiz calls t1294

Flop: (t4338) 4 of spades K of hearts 5 (2 players – 1 is all in)

Turn: (t4338) 3 of hearts (2 players – 1 is all in)

River: (t4338) 6 of clubs (2 players – 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t4338
Hero shows Jd Jh (a pair of Jacks)
askiz shows Ac Ah (a pair of Aces)
askiz wins t4338

What is the main question I should ask myself after I have bin 3 bettet?

Should I ask myself does V 3 betting with 88+(or less)? If the answer is yes then I can shove without thinking it over.

Cause in a video with Foucault, he did mention something about, if I would flat AJ pre, the main question to ask myself before flatting is, does V minimum open A8.

Does this also apply in this situation?

Cause now I think it over, this is a pretty bad shove I make here, isn`t?

chaos

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November 25, 2014 - 8:01 am

I don't think that's a bad shove at all, I think you're being results oriented. You don't put any reads or stats on the villan so we have to assume he's capable of 3betting light on that spot.

I think your move is pretty much standard, you have put 3 bigs and have about 17 behind and he may be 3-beting hands like suited connectors, nines, tens and obviously the top of his range to wich we're a slight favourite except for QQ+. I think he has a wide range when he 3bets in position and that may include hands like KJs and AT which we're way ahead.

With a different (bigger) stack I may flat but with 20BB I'm whishing to get action and get it in so I'd play it exactly the same way.

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November 25, 2014 - 11:16 am

In this situation, I would ask myself “Do I have 20BBs? Do I have Jacks?”

You aren’t always going to be able to put your opponent on a range with any certainty. In those cases, you should generally continue with the strongest hands in your range, and even from EP JJ should be high enough up there.

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