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Q's facing utg raise from big stack
Robjk16
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February 23, 2011 - 3:38 pm
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I don't have much of a read on villian except to say that I haven't seen him get out of line so far.

At the time I felt like a call was the right move, especially since his 4-bet was so large.  However, the more I thought about it, I felt like I was in a race situation at best, and I should just lay it down, and keep my 40ish BB and build my stack back up (I was playing well and defenitely had an edge at that table).

I showed it to a friend and he basically said it was a cooler, but I'm not sure.  Thoughts?

 

Full Tilt Poker Super Stack $15K Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t300/t600 Blinds + t75 – 8 players

TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

Daniel Edgren (BTN): BB = 3.4, t2046

Reech (SB): BB = 27.0, t16185

teoblu (BB): BB = 11.1, t6650

Grim reap (UTG): BB = 105.7, t63407

arobinson11 (UTG+1): BB = 71.5, t42926

rjk16 (MP1): BB = 55.0, t32995

Rich62684 (MP2): BB = 93.4, t56023

puntactus (CO): BB = 3.6, t2185

Pre Flop: (t1500) rjk16 is MP1 with Q of clubs Q of hearts

Grim reap raises to t1500, 1 fold, rjk16 raises to t4200, 5 folds, Grim reap raises to t63332 all in

rjk16???

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February 23, 2011 - 4:38 pm
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I don't like 3b folding here.  I think his overshove screams AK a very very large % of the time here.  If we are going to 3b we have to decide if we are calling a 4b or 5b shoving on villian.  As played I call and win a flip.  We don't want to be turning QQ into a bluff here and 3b/folding.

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February 23, 2011 - 4:42 pm
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you have to call here man, the big over shove  from a large stack in my experience represents something like (8's+/AQ+) usually like AK though. Ask yourself, Does he really want to push you off this hand with one of the two best hands? A's and K's I would think would be more prone to clicking it back or some kind of smaller 4bet to see how far you really want to go with this is how it's played from a “thinking player” more times than not IMO. If you had a larger stack around the 90BB+ range I would lean more towards a fold here due to the fact he's risking as much as he's forcing you to risk without caution (preflop), but due to the fact he's only risking half his stack leaving him with more than enough playing clips if he loses, I'd call here. With all that being said it could just be a cooler which i'm assuming by your text above did he table AA or KK?

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February 23, 2011 - 6:06 pm
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as cougars said, the time to decide how the hand plays out is BEFORE you 3bet. if you decide that you cant continue if you get 4bet or shoved on, then you should just flat, which isn't too bad given that we have position and we are disguising our hand well. 

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February 24, 2011 - 6:16 pm
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Yeah, calling might have been a good option.  It does disguse my hand.  Thanks for your responses guys.  He shoved.  I called.  He had As and the As held up.

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February 24, 2011 - 6:35 pm
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Robjk16 said:

Yeah, calling might have been a good option.  It does disguse my hand.  Thanks for your responses guys.  He shoved.  I called.  He had As and the As held up.


you are probably getting cooled out of your money anyway by the sounds of it, but if you flat it keeps villains range wider
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