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QQutg flatted/3bet/4bet/?????

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February 21, 2011 - 1:23 pm

guy that 4bets is 11/11 thru 20hands SPOILER ALERT 6th post down below

Full Tilt Poker $17,500 KO Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t120/t240 Blinds + t25 – 9 players
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Eggbert87 (BB): BB = 58.4, t14016
CptnSpalding (UTG): BB = 42.4, t10165
rafi18 (UTG+1): BB = 71.2, t17095
russkoeradio (UTG+2): BB = 46.9, t11255
Dmoney4186 (MP1): BB = 33.8, t8116
T-Boy86 (MP2): BB = 34.5, t8275
TOFF7 (CO): BB = 35.7, t8565
GIBMASTER (BTN): BB = 60.3, t14460
ImYourPusherMan (SB): BB = 20.7, t4974

Pre Flop: (t585) CptnSpalding is UTG with Q Q
CptnSpalding raises to t565, rafi18 calls t565, russkoeradio raises to t890, 1 fold, T-Boy86 raises to t1920, 4 folds, CptnSpalding requests TIME……..?????

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February 21, 2011 - 1:30 pm

If I did the math right, you are getting at least 2.5 for the call. I would make the call and see how it proceeds post-flop.

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February 21, 2011 - 1:45 pm

I fold. I'm really not okay with set mining for 1/5th of my stack and T-boy is acting super strong with all that action in front of me. It's a roll my eyes spot, but I def think this is shove or fold and i lean towards a fold.

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February 21, 2011 - 1:59 pm

Wein said:

I fold. I'm really not okay with set mining for 1/5th of my stack and T-boy is acting super strong with all that action in front of me. It's a roll my eyes spot, but I def think this is shove or fold and i lean towards a fold.

Is there a range of BB, that one should be mining with if they are last to act like in the above spot? My advice is obviously a leak in my game. Would you ever mine this hand and what would be the min. stack size? I find myself in this spot a lot with pocket pairs but I have been looking at the price I get, not so much my stack size.

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February 21, 2011 - 2:34 pm

So sick:

Id fold/mummble to myself

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I'd say a call is okay to mine when both you and villaain have about 15x the bet size of the raise amont. In this hand Captain has $1355 to call. So a set mine can be profitable when both Captain and T-Boy have stacks of 20,325 (which is obv a pretty rare situation)

In this specific hand we might be able to mine w 13x effective stack sizes considering t-boy is very likely to stack off when we hit, and we may get called by one of the two players left behind as well, which would increase our implied odds

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February 21, 2011 - 2:43 pm

Thx for the input guys, I did fold and the 4 better had KK, feel like a genious obv. laugh flatter had 77

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February 21, 2011 - 10:35 pm

I firmly disagree with the 15x rule, but that's for another day.

We aren't even closing the action. Mining here is irrelevant because it's not guaranteed that the guys behind us might pinch off and not allow us to even see a flop.

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February 22, 2011 - 1:02 am

Wein: I'm interested to hear your thoughts on what stack size you can mine profitably if you dn't mind? I can open a seperate thread if we think answering in this thread is a hijack.

Thanks

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February 22, 2011 - 1:02 am

Wein said:

I firmly disagree with the 15x rule, but that's for another day.

We aren't even closing the action. Mining here is irrelevant because it's not guaranteed that the guys behind us might pinch off and not allow us to even see a flop.

I don't know the 15x rule. In the future I will be more mindful of my stack instead of donking off chips just because of a good price. Thanks Wein your post was an eye opener, I was overplaying hands because of pot odds. I am good at laying it down with the river to come, but been donking off with the flop and turn. smile Good lesson to learn before mini ftops.

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February 22, 2011 - 4:25 am

+1 to what Wein said.

For set mining it is the 5% rule. Should not ever call for more than 5% of the effective stack on a speculative hand. GL

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February 22, 2011 - 11:13 am

+1 wein….. without closing the action set mining here is no option fold save the chips…..and if you did flat would you be willing to lay it down on 279 rainbow flop sucks but wait for a better spot!

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