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QQ vs LAG in BB, flat or raise?

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October 22, 2015 - 7:35 pm

Bovada $10+1 4k gtd

Blinds 75/150

Hero 18,838

Villain 8,120

Villain has been EXTREMELY loose and aggressive, probably being in 60% of hands. This hand happened shortly after seeing him 3bet from the button with A6o and triple barrel with the ace high. I’ve been pretty tag

Hero: UTG +1 with QdQh

Villain: BB

I open to 400 UTG +1 and Hero clicks it back to 800. I elect to flat here.

question 1: are we ever 4 betting in position here? I put his 3 betting range real wide even against an early open , but I don’t think our 4 bet would get value from worse/

Flop: 5s 7h Kh

Villain bets 750 into 1675, I reraise to 1975.

question 2: Would it be best just to flat here and re-evaluate the turn? preflop i have villain on anything from JTs+ K10o+ A5s+and any pair (extremely wide), so I originally raised for a few reasons. 1: define his range, he’s going to repop any monsters, call with a K or draw and fold a lot of air. 2. my raise can look like AK or a draw so if he checks to me on the turn i can bet any heart or just pot control and check re-evaluate river.

After looking at the hand again though I feel like flatting is much better because that raise turns my hand into a semi bluff that seems pretty transparent, which led to the following action:

Villain reraises to 4050

hero folds.

question 3: Is it correct to fold here? Even though he has more marginal hand combinations opposed to monsters, by basically clicking it back again instead of shoving when he only left 3k behind I wanted to lean towards us running into the top of his range. As I said before though looking back at my flop raise, i think it was easily exploitable since I’d probably 4 bet AA or KK pre instead of flatting, so I may be able to find a call here but being so deep i feel like i could find a better spot later.

PS: sorry for the lack of format I couldn’t get my hand history to convert, but let me know what you guys think! thanks

Foucault

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October 22, 2015 - 8:16 pm

“I put his 3 betting range real wide even against an early open , but I don’t think our 4 bet would get value from worse/”

So you think he will fold to a 4bet almost always? I mean, there are only two hands better than QQ, so if he 3bets really wide, he has to either call with worse, 5bet with worse, or fold 90% of the time. Any of those is good for you.

As for the flop raise, the only value in “defining his range” is so that you can make good decisions against it. But in order to do that, you have to make a bad decision. In other words, you put in an extra 1225 against a range that has you drawing near-dead just to find out out that you are way behind. And the thing is, you weren’t way behind until you raised! When he bets flop, he could easily have bluffs that you are beating, and you can profitably call. By raising, you turn a hand that was winning into a hand that is losing by folding out most of the hands you’re beating. You shouldn’t be trying to discourage your opponent from bluffing, because a bluff is all that you can beat!

Of course you will fold to the raise. But the fact that you have some doubt as to whether he’s bluffing goes to show the problem with raising the flop. Your whole purpose was to “define his range”, but even after you got 3-bet, you still weren’t sure what he had, so what exactly did the flop raise accomplish?

Poker is a game of incomplete information. Your goal isn’t to figure out exactly what your opponent has, it’s to play your hand as well as you can against an entire range of possibilities.

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October 23, 2015 - 7:47 am

Regarding the preflop raise, I sometimes like to simply flat 3bets like this, when I expect a wide range, with my QQ+ hands, but only if I’m getting a good SPR which would be of 2 or less, something like a 22-25bb stack 3betting from SB to 5bb when I open BU.

But in this case the SPR is going to be around 5 which is way too much to play comfortably QQ vs a wide range.

Anyways, just wanted to point out this thing I sometimes do, Foucault already explained everything 🙂

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