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QQ vs ??? FTOPS #32

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August 16, 2010 - 12:52 pm

Villain was a losing player. He hadn't limped at all before this I believe. What do pple limp utg/3bet with? AA, KK and sometimes AK repping the other two?

Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Main Event No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t80/t160 Blinds – 8 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

PMAG123 (SB): t11775 73.59 BBs
BPV (BB): t5188 32.42 BBs
Al Robbya (UTG): t11426 71.41 BBs
SavePluto9 (UTG+1): t12901 80.63 BBs
DQnk (MP1): t22027 137.67 BBs
NASCAR_1949 (MP2): t5932 37.08 BBs
kautabjo (CO): t2896 18.10 BBs
mm209 (BTN): t10082 63.01 BBs

Pre Flop: (t240) mm209 is BTN with Q of spades Q of clubs
Al Robbya calls t160, 4 folds, mm209 raises to t560, 2 folds, Al Robbya raises to t1440, mm209 calls t880

Flop: (t3120) 9 of clubs A of diamonds A of spades (2 players)
Al Robbya bets t1120, mm209 calls t1120

Turn: (t5360) 4 of spades (2 players)
Al Robbya bets t3200

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August 16, 2010 - 1:16 pm

Seems a tough spot to me. I think you have his PF range pretty accurate but I would even throw in JJ and maybe TT based on his losing profile. What would you think of raise folding his flop bet in the hope you can make him lay down KK or JJ?

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August 16, 2010 - 3:12 pm

Yeah – I think raise/folding here might be the line to take instead of calling down all streets.

If he flats the flop raise you could end up getting a free card if he has an Ace and gets cute or has worse and gets scared.

We flat the flop bet which gives us no information at all on his hand and he doesn't seem too concerned with two Aces out there since he bets right out again.

As played I think I just pitch the hand and move on.

Doubt AA bets out twice and flopping quads is just whatever anyway…

AK/AQ, KK, JJ are most likely holdings obv.

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August 16, 2010 - 4:25 pm

I did fold after his turn bet. Pretty confident he's holding AK here. My call on the flop gives me no further info about his hand, but my flat to his flop bet gives him no info whether I'm holding an A or not, right?

If I have a A in my hand, alot of the times I'm prob not raising the flop but waiting for the turn to either raise or put out a nice size bet if he checks.

And now he leads with 3200, w about half his stack left behind – the perfect amount if he wanted a call or a raise (imo). If he has KK, doesn't he check and wait to see what I do?

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August 16, 2010 - 4:59 pm

Looking into his flop bet I am not sure it is telling me the same thing. He is betting ~30% of the pot here, this looks a lot more like KK probing than it does AK, Ax or AA. I think if he is holding an Ace in his hand knowing that you bet and called his 3bet that I would be pretty confident you are going to lead and try to check raise you big time. I think that there is a pretty good opportunity on the flop to re-raise him big and get him to fold the hand.

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August 16, 2010 - 9:51 pm

You think so? Maybe you're right.

If I push on the turn, what r the chances he calls me anyway with KK – maybe taking a shot I don't have an A because of card removal?

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