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Ok I know I played this bad so I would like your opinions on the best way to play it, also if you would call at the end based on how I played it? Its super early in the tournament and I have no reads at the table yet. Help….and thanks.
Full Tilt Poker $3 $0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t15/t30 Blinds – 8 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
zeeland (UTG): t2640 88 BBs
hawkeye7 (UTG+1): t3045 101.50 BBs
rauldyck13 (MP1): t3000 100 BBs
DaaBEST- (MP2): t3105 103.50 BBs
vincevangogh (CO): t3000 100 BBs
donchacallme (BTN): t2970 99 BBs
billygions (SB): t2970 99 BBs
MoltoLoko (BB): t2850 95 BBs
Pre Flop: (t45) hawkeye7 is UTG+1 with Q
Q
1 fold, hawkeye7 raises to t90, rauldyck13 calls t90, DaaBEST- raises to t150, 3 folds, MoltoLoko requests TIME, 1 fold, hawkeye7 calls t60, rauldyck13 calls t60
Flop: (t495) 5
8
7 (3 players)
hawkeye7 checks, rauldyck13 checks, DaaBEST- checks
Turn: (t495) 4 (3 players)
hawkeye7 bets t495, rauldyck13 calls t495, DaaBEST- folds
River: (t1485) 8 (2 players)
hawkeye7 checks, rauldyck13 bets t1485
October 6, 2010
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firstly, i would bet this flop 1 million percent of the time. something like 300-375 is good imo.
on the turn, it is a pretty big scare card, and now you come out for full pot, it doesnt quite make sense to me. if you want to bet i would once again bet half to 2/3 pot. i dont think check-evaluating is horrible here either given you checked flop.
as played on the river, i think its a check fold. dont really see much that you beat. but its not a tough spot because you didnt' bet the flop.
Yeah it was bad….what I couldn't figure out is whether or not to 4-bet pre because those min 3-bets are super weak and piss me off a lot….i was multi-tabling so I decided to be a nit because I was running out of time. So would you 4-bet pre and what hands do you put the 3-bet guy on?
October 6, 2010
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to be honest, i probably 4bet and get it in here preflop. this type of bet is rarely KK/AA imho and more like 99-JJ
not sure if thats correct or not though
PF seems fine although i could maybe see getting it in, we just dont know that he's getting in stuff like 99-JJ and if he's not then obviously getting it in PF is pretty terrible.
i don't particularly like leading the flop and would rather check and call his c-bet.
i'd bet a little less on the turn.
c/f this river.
October 6, 2010
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Hagbard Celine said:
i don't particularly like leading the flop and would rather check and call his c-bet.
looking at it again, i think i agree. i think when i first posted i didnt' see the mini raise preflop.
i think Hagbard has got the rest right (quite obviously, its whey we are here on these forums :D)
July 3, 2010
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The pot sized Turn bet really doesn't make any sense at all to a thinking player. You aren't raising UTG+1 and calling a 3-bet, then checking the flop with any sort of hand that has connected with this board.
Your opponent is likely to have connected with this board very well. I'd be raising any bet you put out on the Turn no matter what I held because it just seems to FOS to be honest.
If you had a set or draw you'd have led the flop.
And if you're going to bet the Turn you need to do it smaller and follow it up with a river bet. This line looks like a total air ball and the pot will get taken away from you every time by a good player.
FkCoolers said:
And if you're going to bet the Turn you need to do it smaller and follow it up with a river bet. This line looks like a total air ball and the pot will get taken away from you every time by a good player.
i agree with betting the river in many cases but i think this particular river is a clear c/f. the only worse hands that might call a river bet are 99-JJ and i think he can pretty easily have boats, 8x, flushes and even a 6.
also, the 3bet is TINY. we could certainly have every set and could have concieveably called with some SCs–not to mention all the overpairs in our range–so i doubt that we can so confidently say that OP never has a hand that connects with this board and i doubt that raising a turn pot bet on this board with any hand you happen to have is going to be that great.
July 3, 2010
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It's more like… if we have a set we should lead this flop every single time so draws can't just check behind for a free card. And if we have a set that Turn should worry us so now potting it doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense.
I can see why you'd say raising wouldn't be that great, though. I'd be thinking about making a play and in real time would be debating whether to raise there or just flat and bet any river that comes out.
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