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QQ in 4b pot
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August 23, 2010 - 6:48 pm
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2 or 3 from the money, cant remember my exact stats but I had been opening alot lately and not really getting played back at.

 

matosa is 23/15/6.7 3b over 89 hands

 

He clicks it back pre which I didn't give much credit with how much im opening. I looked at it as though he was trying to keep the pot small while taking control away from me and I will call with a wide range and fold to a cbet. So I make a decent sized 4b and he flats.

 

What range do you think he flats with here. Does he flat AA/KK? AK? or does he shove those hands?

 

How do you proceed post flop?

 

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Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

Fabio_Bitt (MP): BB = 19.4, t38787
KALINGKA (CO): BB = 15.8, t31532
bigbugs (BTN): BB = 21.1, t42107
b3tu (SB): BB = 25.8, t51585
matosa (BB): BB = 66.6, t133233
guitey (UTG): BB = 41.5, t83027

Pre Flop: (t4500) guitey is UTG with Q of clubs Q of diamonds
guitey raises to t4085, 4 folds, matosa raises to t6170, guitey raises to t18250, matosa calls t12080

Flop: (t39000) 4 of hearts 8 of diamonds K of clubs (2 players)
matosa checks, guitey checks

Turn: (t39000) 6 of spades (2 players)
matosa checks, guitey checks

River: (t39000) 6 of diamonds (2 players)
matosa checks, guitey ?????

 

Looks like 99-JJ by the river. Do you bet? If so how much?

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August 23, 2010 - 7:51 pm
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I probably would of bet the flop first off, about 19,000 maybe, I doubt he would be only calling you with AK,  and since you have QQ, I doubt he has something like KQs.  If you check it all the way down, then your not getting much value out of your hand.  If you bet the turn and he only calls, I would still put in a value bet on the river, (1/3 pot) to get him to call you with a medium pp. 

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August 23, 2010 - 11:39 pm
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i think he definately pushes AA, KK. flats AK, AQ, 1010 and JJ. go ahead and Cbet flop. 19k good number as posted. im barreling turn as well for value. if called on turn give up. as playd and u want value from 10s or jj bet 13-19k. he may turn hand into bluff and shove u tho. that'll be very tough spot too.

 

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August 25, 2010 - 12:14 pm
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Interesting situation:

 

Slightly disagree with the guys in that I really like you checking back the flop.

 

As you were the PF aggressor I think he's highly likely to ck / raise the flop. I reckon that he bets the turn if he's ahead but I still don't mind your check.

 

bjizz makes a good point regarding a possible villian bluff but the way the hand played out I think he's played it terrible if he has you beat.

 

I'm betting half pot and calling his shove.

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August 25, 2010 - 12:19 pm
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Yeah I'm putting him squarely on TT or JJ at the river and betting semi-big making it look like a bluff to try and get a hero call. I probably bet 2/3 pot. We've shown no strength and he might talk himself into us having AQs or a lesser pair than he does.

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August 25, 2010 - 12:35 pm
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Got 2 option on the flop (easy):

C-bet and rep the K – if he check/raises then oh well

Check back which is fine

 

Depending on what u do depends on what u should do on the turn:

by now the pot will be around 77k, if you bet. You would have around 47k. Enough to shove the turn, but if called on the flop  I am not shoving.

If he bets into you on the turn, imo u gotta fold. 47k is enough for a reshove stack just sucks u had to lose chips with QQ.

 

If he checks back to you on the turn:

I would check again. I mean if you bet you are gettin called for the most part by better hands. You can probably get TT or JJ to call but ill save this instance for the river.

 

In this case on the river:

He checks twice, looks like he has no K, he is just waitin and prayin for a showdown. You can bet and get weaker hands like 99, TT or JJ to call just b/c of how weak you played it.

Also though checking is not so bad. You leave all his possibles out there, whereas betting decreases the amount of weaker hands he will show you.

 

 

Alot of this depends on how the player plays. If he is the type of guy that will check to you with a better hand waiting for you to name the price then I would be cautious. However, if he isnt this crafty you can fire a bet on the flop (c-bet) or river (look like you want the pot).

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August 25, 2010 - 1:15 pm
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I think checking the flop is fine as if you have him beat it's hard to get 3 streets of value.  I'd bet the turn because TT-JJ will pay you two streets here.  Def bet river.

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August 25, 2010 - 1:21 pm
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I don't mind checking the flop since you made it so huge preflop.  I'd probably make it like 16.5k, but I would bet turn once he checks again and check back river if he calls turn.  As played bet river.

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