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March 3, 2013
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This is hand 2 of the Big $33 so no reads on any players and I have no HUD stats on any of them.
Poker Stars $30+$3 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t10/t20 Blinds – 9 players – View hand 2322818
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Hero (CO): t2940 147 BBs
brzy007 (BTN): t3340 167 BBs
BeowulfasLT (SB): t2980 149 BBs
JACKPOT786 (BB): t3000 150 BBs
Bahuss (UTG): t3000 150 BBs
8behappy8 (UTG+1): t2740 137 BBs
miki2dk (UTG+2): t3000 150 BBs
Mihay28 (MP1): t3000 150 BBs
MamaGigi (MP2): t3000 150 BBs
Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is CO with Q
Q
Bahuss calls t20, 2 folds, Mihay28 raises to t50, MamaGigi calls t50, Hero raises to t230, 3 folds, Bahuss calls t210, Mihay28 calls t180, MamaGigi calls t180
Flop: (t950) 8 T
K (4 players)
Bahuss checks, Mihay28 checks, MamaGigi checks, Hero bets t425, Bahuss calls t425, Mihay28 folds, MamaGigi calls t425
I think the play so far is pretty standard. My 3b is large as there is 3 interested in the pot so I'm trying to thin the field (no such luck 
)
When all check to me I have to c-bet to get rid of anyone who has whiffed.
Turn: (t2225) 7
(3 players)
Bahuss checks, MamaGigi checks,
There are some Kx hands in their ranges but given both checked to me twice I figure both are more likely on strong draws/combo draws or slow playing mosters.
I was lost on whether betting to charge the draws (but I dont want to bloat an already big pot – for Level1) was better than checking for a brick.
Hero – Check or Bet?
Thanks – FHP
August 31, 2013
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Hi,
Ok with your sizing pre, don't mind a little bit more (250/300) if the table is fishy as stacks are really deep.
The flop is interesting, not sure I would have Cbet against 3 players, the probability of one of them having a king is pretty high as the probability of getting check/raise by a draw or combo draw (AJhh, AQhh, QJhh, J9hh, Q9hh, etc…). Sometimes I'm just giving up that flop and check/folding, check/calling is probably the worst play imo so if you want to continue with your hand Cbetting is probably the better play.
As played, I don't think they are X/calling DP+ and they are probably raising a huge draw on the flop so their ranges are Kx, medium draws (QJo, J9, small flushes) and sometimes medium hands as A
T (but less likely). The only hands that beats you are KQ, KJ and K9 (and maybe 8
9 that didn't raise flop) and you block KQ.
I really don't know because you only have a PSB left so if you bet you have to shove imo but you will only get called by Kx so it's pretty much a bluff. The problem of checking is that you will have to fold a lot of rivers (, A, J, K, maybe T) and on a brik they can shove QJ as KQ so it's hard to bluff catch.
So I think shoving > checking but maybe I'm totally wrong, it's kind of a bluff, but if you make them fold QJ or AT it's not a bad result and I think they can fold K9 and even KJ (+ you block KQ) as your play looks pretty strong. So yes as played I'm shoving the turn imo, but not sure I would have cbet because it puts you in that kind of spot way to often
June 8, 2012
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i dunno. id chk behind on turn if it was HU but theres alot of chips in the middle and theres alot of rivers that would be gross…so i think i just stuff turn and if one of them has it like KJ or J9, whatever. I would think any sets CR flop so not too concerned about them. also, chking flop is plausible but our range would look like JJ/QQ if we did cuz people never expect AA or AK to be checked here. so it kinda sucks cuz we are overrepping our hand but never under estimate players stacking off with pair+draw combo like JT or T9 here either so there is value in shoving.
June 11, 2012
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pre ante 2nd hand i dont mind a flat pre. what you do if OR who already showed interest in the pot 4bets?
think we are good enough post that we can make a +EV call here pre instead of 3betting. if we 3bet make it bigger (3x+1/Caller)
so my and flopzillas 2cents post flop:
first of all how many streets of value is our hand worth? i would say at 1-2 streets if heads up. 3 way at max 1 street
Do we want to front or back load?
generally on a board like this i would say front loading if its heads up and trying to pot control multiway.
therefore i would say check back flop.
now lets see what Flopzilla says:
Mihay28 is a reg so his range here looks something like this:
AA(50%),QQ-88,AKo-AQo,AQs-AJs,A5s-A2s,KQs-KJs,QJs,JTs,T9s
his range has TP+ in 31.2% of the cases on the flop
MamGigi is unknown but has decent results on low number of MTTs:
he is most likely calling with lots of hands with good postflop playability
QQ-22,A5s-A2s,KQs-KJs,QJs-QTs,JTs-J9s,T9s-T8s,98s-97s,87s,76s,65s
his range has TP+ in 11.1% of the cases.
the flop i would say both would play their sets faster as the Kxx flop should hit our 3betting range strong.
For MamGigi it is more likely that he plays his FDs slow because he gets good odds and will almost always get paid if he hits.
if we assume they call only with hands we are beat on the flop or with draws with plenty of equity then we are beat vs MamGigi in 58.6% of the casesand vs Mihay28 its 73.3% on the turn once they see a turn
so this makes QQ a check on flop and turn and revealuate river
cheers
October 21, 2012
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I would not cbet here because you dont get better hands to fold or worse to call except for a few Ts and JJ. Flush draws call at the very least, but they are only slightly worse right now.
Protection is not an issue because your hand is not that strong and the board is not as drawy as it looks. Most strong heart draws are blocked by the board, most weaker ones are probably not in their calling range, and you either block the open ended straight draws or you're holding their outs.
With position, I like a delayed cbet.
If they lead the turn, I'd probably call one and fold to a river bet.
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August 25, 2012
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Grunching, so as not to have my point of view influenced by others'. I don't think this hand is a clear 3bet - I have no problem at all flatting pairs as big as QQ in the first few levels, specifically to avoid huge pots like this when we're so deep.
Once we do 3bet, I don't think I would bet the flop. In a multiway pot such as this, you really need to consider how strong your bet will look to the other players - sure, they might be bad, but if they're bad they also have more Kx hands in their range. Your 3bet in this spot and then bet on the flop is most likely going to get any Tx hand to fold, especially once they see someone else call your flop bet. It's also probably going to get JJ to fold, which leaves us up against Kx hands, drawing hands and TT/88.
Let's look at the one portion of that range we do beat - the draws. With the T and K of hearts out there, there are only a few combos of hearts that are going to be in villains' ranges - AQhh, AJhh, QJhh, and maybe J9hh, 98hh and even 76hh if we're being very generous (remember - if you're about to say "but these villains are bad, they can have all kinds of heart combos!" then it also means they can have way more KJo/K9ss type hands, and they can also have AK/KK/AA more often too). Additionally, if one of these guys has a strong heart draw, it makes it very difficult for the others to also have heart draws, which makes them more likely to have Kx or better when they call.
Against those heart combos, we're technically ahead, but there are so many terrible turn cards for our hand that we really don't want to see a turn if at all possible - but is there any way we can get the villains to fold their monster draw hands? No. Even if we bet, we're still getting to a turn card, the only difference is what the size of the pot is when we get there.
If we're desperate to get value from our QQ, I would much prefer to wait until the turn, where we can either comfortably check/fold to a scare card, or we can comfortably value bet on a blank, knowing that the draws still left in the pot have much less equity now and the stronger made hands would have bet the flop. If we check the flop, it makes the hand much easier to play, and we like it when hands are easy to play.
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August 25, 2012
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Whoah…I don't know why that post looks so weird. Hopefully it's still readable!
August 8, 2013
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FatHarryPotter said:
When all check to me I have to c-bet to get rid of anyone who has whiffed.
That's not a great reason to C-bet. Against two players you want to first think about hands you can get to value call, Tx and heart draws are pretty much it. I like your c-bet sizing, you will get value from those hands, if someone has Kx they are coming along of course. But again, remember you do have AK in your range, and as far as straight draws you do have the Q blockers so I think Tx and heart draws make up a big part of their combined value range. You have position, so you just have to decide how much you like giving free cards?
I personally hate giving free cards, and I think there's no reason that turn changes anyone's hand. When you check turn you guarantee to anyone with a K that they are probably best, and you are telling everyone you are weak. The problem was a lack of plan on the flop. You bet the flop hoping everyone “whiffed” and would just fold and got called by two players. You should have said to yourself “I'm going to C-bet here and fire the turn again if it is a blank, check if a heart or A comes, and jam if I hit a the Q
.” Something like that. It's a 3bet pot remember, so people are putting you on a very strong hand, betting turn will probably get a lot of weak Kx hands to fold.
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August 6, 2013
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Hero – Check or Bet?
In general this early in the tournament I would check back and if we are not improving to a set on the river I would fold to most bets. Just because it hits their 3beting calling range quite well, especially when they decided not too fold on the flop it shows some strength definitely, also some draws which are in their ranges could be check/shoving or raising on you which will put you in tought spot where you will be forced to fold.
So I'm checking back and folding on most rivers / most bets.
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