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June 1, 2012
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Villan is a good reg (looked him up). Only have 260 hands on him. He is 13/10 and a 3 bet of 3.2.
We are 7 handed and I just won a big pot from him a few hands earlier. Just wondering how I played the hand, I thought maybe he had Ax, A10+ because hes nitty with the Ah. Should i just be getting to showdown as cheap as possible or folding on such a wet board?
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Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold’em Tournament – t700/t1400 Blinds + t175 – 7 players – View hand 2401982
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
jahmada (SB): BB = 14.9, t20894
andreyluis (BB): BB = 49.9, t69816
VinceVegaMFR (UTG): BB = 26.6, t37301
zlobni KAZEL (UTG+1): BB = 32.9, t46051
Hero (MP): BB = 31.2, t43675
frisvy (CO): BB = 37.9, t53089
Penelas08 (BTN): BB = 38.0, t53174
Pre Flop: (t3325) Hero is MP with Q of clubs Q of diamonds
VinceVegaMFR raises to t2800, 1 fold, Hero calls t2800, 1 fold, Penelas08 calls t2800, 2 folds
Flop: (t11725) 8 of hearts 5 of hearts 4 of hearts (3 players)
VinceVegaMFR bets t4900, Hero calls t4900, Penelas08 folds
Turn: (t21525) 9 of spades (2 players)
VinceVegaMFR bets t7000, Hero raises to t18740, VinceVegaMFR raises to t29426 all in, Hero calls t10686
River: (t80377) 3 of diamonds (2 players – 1 is all in)
June 24, 2012
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I slightly lean towards a 3bet pre but a call is ok. I like having the betting lead in position with a strong hand so you can control the betting. It also balances your range when you want to 3bet light. Flop is ok but if your looking to get value from the Ah like you said now is the time to raise because he is much more likely to get it in here with the A high FD than the turn but I think a call is better. I don’t like the raise on the turn because I don’t think he puts it in with worse hands than QQ. I mean would you be happy shoving 99-JJ here to such a strong turn raise, your never bluffing here, your never folding any hand you raise and your line looks very strong so hes not shoving light. It doesn’t make sense for him to shove the Ah because he has no fold equity he’d just call with it given that he is getting the right pot odds to do so.
I prob flat call the turn and call most non-heart rivers. If a heart falls and he bets I’m folding I think because a flush draw is certainly in your range flat calling two streets so its hard for him to bet without at least the K high flush.
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August 25, 2012
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QQ here is an absolutely 100% mandatory 3bet/call preflop. The only reason I would ever even entertain the idea of calling pre here is to trap the players behind, but the SB is the only one who has the right stack for it and we would need to have some seriously aggro players behind for it to be good. Not to mention, calling pre here 26bb effective looks arguably even stronger than 3betting.
Once we get to the flop, it’s now mandatory to raise/get it in here. Any 6, 7, ace, or heart is a card that will either give us the worst hand or kill our action, and we’re really not very deep. I just make it 12k or so on the flop and snap off anyone who shoves. The only time I would think about folding is when both players put the money in.
A 9 is a pretty bad card on the turn too, since it just makes the board even wetter and makes it even harder for us to get value. The villain’s small bet looks very strong (he’s evidently not too worried about pricing out draws), and our small raise looks even stronger, but we raised to a sizing that means we can’t fold to his shove, but his shoving range mostly has us crushed. I think shoving over his turn bet to represent AhQx or something similar is about the best we can do.
Your question “Should i just be getting to showdown as cheap as possible or folding on such a wet board?” makes me think you probably have a leak of being too tight overall or not reading ranges very well postflop – you’re overlooking the major mistake in the hand, which is that you have QQ and should be delighted to get it in preflop here for your 31bb stack vs anyone at the table. The rest of the hand doesn’t need to happen at all.
September 29, 2012
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I 3 bet preflop here 100%. I make it about 6,200 and call off if he shoves.
Again, on the flop, we have an overpair with 30BBs effective stacks, on a very wet board, you must raise for protection there. Sizing for the raise I think has two options. 1) you could raise to about 11,500ish; or 2) you could even shove. The stacks are short enough that a shove is not too far out of the norm.
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December 6, 2012
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You can’t “get value from the Ah” on the flop because you’re barely ahead of Ahx.
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September 28, 2012
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As played turn is a fairly easy shove but agree with the rest here in that 3 betting pre is good. The stack sizes just dont warrant underrepping our hand.
I disagree with ginger about raising flop. We are effectively either way behind are barely ahead with our hand with 2 cards to come. I think calling and getting in every non heart/over card turn is better here.
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June 24, 2012
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QQ here is an absolutely 100% mandatory 3bet/call preflop.
What 4bet shoving range are you giving villan, given that he is 13/10 over 260 hands and is raising under the gun?
June 24, 2012
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You can’t “get value from the Ah” on the flop because you’re barely ahead of Ahx.
True. Didn’t factor in that he has at least the Ace as an over card, have to be careful of this in my own game. But my overall point was that he was more likely to shove the flush draw on the flop than the turn.
June 1, 2012
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Your question “Should i just be getting to showdown as cheap as possible or folding on such a wet board?” makes me think you probably have a leak of being too tight overall or not reading ranges very well postflop – you’re overlooking the major mistake in the hand, which is that you have QQ and should be delighted to get it in preflop here for your 31bb stack vs anyone at the table. The rest of the hand doesn’t need to happen at all.
I think your right, I don’t 3 bet enough, and I was kinda lost in the hand after the flop. At least if I 3bet I could define his range a little better.
June 1, 2012
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QQ here is an absolutely 100% mandatory 3bet/call preflop.
What 4bet shoving range are you giving villan, given that he is 13/10 over 260 hands and is raising under the gun?
This may be way off but I would say 99+ aqs+
Actually thats what I would probably range him during the hand. Looking back, Hes decent, so because I have such a small 3 bet percentage I might say JJ+ AKo+ Is that too nitty?
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December 30, 2013
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i think its prob a get in unless there are some insane payout structures for this FT that would make it an ICM disaster. in most standard structures i dont see any way this shouldn't get in.
as played by the turn, i think call turn/call river is pretty much your best option. raise/getting it in on the turn pretty much ensures youre only up against hands that beat you (except maybe exactly ThTx, JhJx).
would much prefer 3bet pre. i dont think one of my predominate reasons, that you are inviting others IP on your to come in to the pot, was mentioned yet. add that to the list of reasons to 3bet itt
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