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Early and not paying too much attention right now, villains stats are 25/22, he had been 3b once before in a different MTT at 15/30 where he 4b/c KK from EP to BB 5b shove. This was like 1 – 2 hours ago but I noticed in in his stats when posting. I didnt know the hand at the time just that he had 4b both times he’s been 3b. I didnt know if he was a winning player or anything just had the 32 hands on him.
I havent done anything really apart from raise a couple hands and take them down post flop.
Something ive seen is people just straight shipping AA/KK in spots like this as it’s not likely im 3b’n light at all in this spot this early so they ship it expecting a call. That was my main reason for shipping and QQ is the bottom of my range here, id flat JJ pre but if I did 3b id fold now as I think he will do htis with JJ more often than TT but you can’t discount TT totally as you always get people spazzing out early in tourneys.
Do you like the 3b/get it in or play it more passive and flat pre?
Hand history has messed it up but good bad lucky’s name is there instead of mine for some reason but stacks and positions are all right.
Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold’em Tournament – t15.00/t30.00 Blinds – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
UTG+1: BB = 91.5, t2745
Good Bad Lucky (UTG+2): BB = 112.7, t3380
MP1: BB = 98.2, t2945
MP2: BB = 110.7, t3320
CO: BB = 92.0, t2760
BTN: BB = 95.7, t2870
SB: BB = 120.7, t3620
BB: BB = 87.8, t2635
UTG: BB = 90.8, t2725
Pre Flop: (t45) Good Bad Lucky is UTG+2 with Q[Image Can Not Be Found] Q[Image Can Not Be Found]
UTG raises to t90, 1 fold, Good Bad Lucky raises to t250, 6 folds, UTG raises to t780, Good Bad Lucky raises to t3380
Tough spot…I think that the bottom of his range is AK here. I dont see how we could be ahead, flatting his 3bet IP with QQ early not sure how I would feel about that. Shipping it makes playing the hand easier but I dont feel we are good that often. But even if we flat the 3bet we could slow down with an A or K on the flop but all rags it still may go in? Tough one..curious to hear the pros.
July 3, 2010
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Not sure if it’s a leak in my game but before antes I flat my entire range in position facing a raise to avoid bloating pots and also for deception. If it’s multi-way when it reaches me I’ll 3-bet to get people out of the hand.
I’ve flatted AK so many times and owned souls when an Ace flops and the other guy can’t fold AT, AJ, or AQ.
If the UTG raiser is a competent winning player you can basically polarize his range to AK, AA, and KK here. Such a strong line from him. And AK probably just ships it in instead of making that other raise so it’s an even stronger looking line the more I think about it.
Yea I flat alot too early stages with AK and JJ,QQ kind of hands, usually 3b AA/KK altho not always. I 3b here as there was 6 players to act behind and didn’t want to be playing QQ OOP and multiway.
July 3, 2010
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guitey said:
Yea I flat alot too early stages with AK and JJ,QQ kind of hands, usually 3b AA/KK altho not always. I 3b here as there was 6 players to act behind and didn’t want to be playing QQ OOP and multiway.
I think in this partiular spot I time bank to look him up on OPR. If he’s a winning player I sigh and fold as we’re most likely flipping against AK some times and crushed a lot of the time.
I make a lot of folds I don’t tell people about lol… I hope half of them are good ones.
This is a fold. Hes never betting there with JJ or lower. So your flipping ak some of the time but way to often your dominated here to concider this a plus ev spot. Def fold and move on.
bigdogpckt5s said:
This is a fold. Hes never betting there with JJ or lower. So your flipping ak some of the time but way to often your dominated here to concider this a plus ev spot. Def fold and move on.
Do you flat pre then or 3b?
I noticed after the hand when reading the forum that UTG is a TPE member, which should mean his range here is ak,AA,KK. wish id noticed that beforehand,lol.
If you think he’s the type of player to flatcall your 3bet a lot preflop then it’s fine to 3bet and then fold if he decides to make this 4bet. As played I would definitely fold to the 4bet. I also don’t mind flatting QQ here to an utg open preflop if he’s pretty tight. I think it’s a mistake to flat your whole range pre ante as well.
So what’s your standard here? I had like 8 tbls going so had no info really apart from the limited HUD stats.
HITTHEPANDA said:
If you think he’s the type of player to flatcall your 3bet a lot preflop then it’s fine to 3bet and then fold if he decides to make this 4bet. As played I would definitely fold to the 4bet. I also don’t mind flatting QQ here to an utg open preflop if he’s pretty tight. I think it’s a mistake to flat your whole range pre ante as well.
PANDA owns
guitey said:
So what’s your standard here? I had like 8 tbls going so had no info really apart from the limited HUD stats.
flat the original raise.
sure it’s not ideal when others come along and you have to play sandwhiched between other players, but it’s not like QUEEN QUEEN is all that difficult to play postflop
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