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QQ against constant limper....
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February 22, 2011 - 4:20 pm
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Have been at the table with the villian almost the whole tourney.  Not once has he raised, just limp calling the whole time.  How is my line?  Is may raise size good with the 1 limp? And as far as his river bet I am beat.  Chalk it up as idiot poker on his part?   

Poker Stars $10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t150/t300 Blinds + t40 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

zjusuibian (UTG): BB = 62.0, t18610
dadkorn (UTG+1): BB = 27.3, t8190
hb172 (UTG+2): BB = 27.4, t8210
Voytenok1 (MP1): BB = 35.8, t10745
Hero (MP2): BB = 53.4, t16019
riczkob (CO): BB = 31.2, t9366
minikachel (BTN): BB = 3.1, t930
rafominator (SB): BB = 4.9, t1480
Saamen (BB): BB = 40.0, t12005

Pre Flop: (t810) Hero is MP2 with Q of spades Q of clubs
3 folds, Voytenok1 calls t300, Hero raises to t1050, 4 folds, Voytenok1 calls t750

Flop: (t2910) 7 of hearts 2 of spades A of spades (2 players)
Voytenok1 checks, Hero bets t1200, Voytenok1 calls t1200

Turn: (t5310) 9 of spades (2 players)
Voytenok1 checks, Hero checks

River: (t5310) 3 of clubs (2 players)
Voytenok1 bets t3000, Hero folds

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February 22, 2011 - 5:14 pm
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just add 1 BB for each limper to your normal raise size, so definetly 300 more in this spot. On the flop cbet around half teh pot, check turn and fold river if he bets (and he did). Lots of Ax in the range of less qualified players.

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February 22, 2011 - 5:17 pm
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pf seems fine… i like your cbet size better if the board was dry, i go to 1/2 psb

i assume villain has rag aces in range, anything that wasn't there otf got there ott, nh

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February 22, 2011 - 6:25 pm
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yep well played. 

 

i also like your flop bet sizing, as i think the same range calls whether you bet 1200 or 1600 or 2000 but you have saved yourself the most amount of chips. 

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I think you played it well,nice pre-flop bet. I like the c-bet and the check on the turn. I agree with the fold with the ace and flush out there.  It is possible he was afraid of the flush on the turn, but with him calling a lot it is better to be safe then sorry.

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February 23, 2011 - 2:48 am
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Think you played it great, a couple of things I may have done slightly differently

If he’s been limp-calling everything then I maybe go to 1200-1500 pre just for extra value. If he’s been shown to call down with second or third pair (like many of the fish out there) then I maybe also value bet the turn since my hand is probably ahead there also. You did pick up the flush draw in case he does have an ace.

The second point is villain dependent though and I usually have a solid set of stats when Im value betting a lower pair on an Ace high board. When villain is playing something like vpip 60%+, call open 50%+, aggression factor <1, WTDS 60%+.

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February 23, 2011 - 4:59 pm
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G0liath said:

Think you played it great, a couple of things I may have done slightly differently

If he's been limp-calling everything then I maybe go to 1200-1500 pre just for extra value. If he's been shown to call down with second or third pair (like many of the fish out there) then I maybe also value bet the turn since my hand is probably ahead there also. You did pick up the flush draw in case he does have an ace.

The second point is villain dependent though and I usually have a solid set of stats when Im value betting a lower pair on an Ace high board. When villain is playing something like vpip 60%+, call open 50%+, aggression factor <1, WTDS 60%+.


This is really good.  I don't mind how you played the hand one bit.  It seems everyone floats these days so I may have fired like 2100-2400 on the turn cause there is a good chance he goes away and we do have the flush draw if he does call.  If everyone is limp/calling I would probably make my sizing preflop a little bigger as well.  Like I said don't mind how you played it but if he was limp/calling with a weak ace that spade on the turn may have scared him and he might fold his ace rag to a 2nd barrel on turn.

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February 23, 2011 - 5:10 pm
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i agree with others re: going bigger PF in this situation. in general, though, i have nothing wrong with your pf sizing, just that you can get more value here in this specific spot.

 

flop is fine.

 

i like checking turn. i highly doubt we get him to fold better or call worse.

 

river is good. nh.

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February 23, 2011 - 5:11 pm
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I agree with Goliath's comments.  I like raising a bit more PF with a hand like QQs since I know I am way ahead of most of his range. 

 

Also We know he limps his entire range but did you mention his VPIP?  if it is on the 50%+ I might convert my QQ to a bluff on the turn after he checked, betting aorund 1/3 to 1/2 the pot.  this might even result in him checking the river scared of the flush giving you 2 chances to win the pot.

 

I do agree A rags are in his range here a ton so even if you get a free showdown you might lose the pot and the extra chips you bet on the turn, though a bit wiser laugh.

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