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Really depends on how active the villain has been, plus he 3xd it and you only have 13bbs so you have very little fold equity so i can't see him folding unless hes been mega active.
I agree with Dimes in terms of the villian's history – very important! He is, however 3xing a relatively big stack in the CO, and given action has folded to him it smells like he's trying to steal some yummy blinds and antes. The game is now HU and effective stack size is only 13bbs… so your non-exploitable calling/shoving range will probably be >J8s… I'd shove it here as you're probably flipping and a successful double-up will get you back into the pack!
broken record here but its really the only factor to consider – his VPIP and steal
our hand is kind of irrelevant b/c we are not hoping to go to showdown and cousteer is right that we dont really have that much FE
id also reship if he's super agg but fold and look for better spots if he's anything otherwise
I'm shipping this even without FE… lets say he opens 30% from CO, then he calls with all the hands he opens with, you are basically flipping against that range, if he folds some of his hands this is extra profitable.
He is a nit or simply considering the stack sizes he is opening into (2 reship possible stack in his way BTN and you)- not saying that in a 5$ game he is- but lets assume it anyway. He is going to open with around 15% and you are in a 40-60 dog… I don't see myself folding this hand ever.
Any info on V would be most helpful…while we have a stack to 3-bet fold, the V has the stack to 4-bet shove. Without any reads, fold.
um if i EVER 3bet there im calling 100% of the times he 4bet shoves
our decision HAS to be made pre
Im probably still folding
our resulting stack is more than enough to open jam the next orbit when we get a good spot
It's really difficult to know without more information on opener.
ok, maybe I don't get the online sarcasm…but does anyone srsly considering 3bet/folding from 13bbs???
we have a more than decent hand to resteal. what is the question? what reads do we need on the opponent on a 5$ game to make this shove? better said, to NOT make it…
have I misread the stack sizes or smthin?
yeah 3bet/folding is horrible
the read to help us fold would be a super tight image of villain, as he's unlikely folding and a tight range crushes our hand
I would seriously consider just calling if without info on player.(but ofcourse push if you have info that tells you theres a good chance he's stealing with less than Q high), I know calling leaves your stack very low but an M of 4 is still enough to scrape back from if forced to fold on the flop.
And also you have 1st bet on the flop so if it's a blank board and you think he's proably not hit, your push maybe enough to get him off hands like KQ,QK,J10 or any other randon crap. If you hit anything at all you could push and take ur chance or check and let him push u all in if u hit really nice.
If a scary board you can just fold and wait to push your M of 4 later as the opener.
I think he's calling you with most hands pre as he's deep enough, not seen any cards yet and has a good chance to hit with anything.
After a flop tho alot of hands he may hold could be worthless due to a bad flop for him so I think the bet on the flop proably has more value.
The time you have until the blinds go up could affect this plan too as if they go up in like 30 secs you could end up leaving urself witn an m of -3.
October 6, 2010
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i would be snap jamming here – we have a hand that stacks up pretty well against villain's range, we will rarely have less than 30% equity when called, and villain will fold a bunch of the time.
i think folding is ok too, but i really hate anything else – calling to jam any flop just doesn't fly these days, and if i was villain i would call down with most ace high/mid pp hands on basically any flop because most people that donk jam after calling are just full of it.
bennymacca said:
and villain will fold a bunch of the time.
This is very important because the more we define the 'bunch' the clearer our decision becomes.
and yeah the old stop and go play doesn't cut the mustard anymore. People never believe it and call with A high and even pp's that are in the middle of the flop ie 2nd or 3rd pair.
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July 20, 2010
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fold or shove either is fine but play is very read dependant tight i fold loose glgl
July 3, 2010
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Cougars4444 said:
It's really difficult to know without more information on opener.
This response and it's not even close since you're getting called over 50% of the time.
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