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Pushing All in with pocket 44s
smallcat66
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August 8, 2013 - 4:57 pm
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Hi, short question.

Live game with six players left out of twenty. Four get paid.

Blinds 15,000 – 30,000. I have 248,000 chips. Average stack is 400,000 chips.

I am UTG +1 with 44. Three of the players behind me are either drunk, loose callers or both.

I pushed all in.

What do ye guys think I should have done?

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August 8, 2013 - 10:17 pm
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Shove. You need to double up a few times to win this thing.

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As usual, it depends.  I plugged some stuff into an ICM calculator, based on payouts of 40%, 30%, 20%, 10%.  I briefly experimented with some other payout structures and it didn't make a huge difference.

 

No ante, roughly even stacks (besides you) — shove 17.6%, 22+ A2s+ ATo+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ J9s+

3000 ante, roughly even stacks — 25.5%, 22+ A2s+ A8o+ K6s+ KTo+ Q8s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo T8s+ 98s

No ante, 3 stacks your size, 3 stacks 552,000 — 17.8%, 33+ A2s+ ATo+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ QJo JTs

No ante, 2 short stacks 100,000, 3 big stacks 65400 — 16.4%, 44+ A3s+ A9o+ KTs+ KJo+ QTs+ JTs

No ante, payouts, 4 tiny stacks 50,000, 1 huge stack — 8.4%, 99+ A9s+ ATo+ KJs+

3000, ante, payouts, 4 tiny stacks 50,000, 1 huge stack in SB — 7.4%, 88+ ATs+ AJo+ KQs

3000, ante, payouts, 4 tiny stacks 50,000, 1 huge stack in BB — 12.4%, 77+ A7s+ A5s-A4s ATo+ KTs+ KQo QTs+

3000, ante, payouts, 4 tiny stacks 50,000, 1 huge stack UTG — 38.9%, 33+ Ax+ K2s+ K6o+ Q5s+ Q8o+ J7s+ J9o+ T8s+

 

So assuming optimal play, we should be shoving 44 unless the stack sizes reward folding pretty drasitcally.  On a side note, it's interesting how much it affects optimal play to move the huge stack from the SB to BB.

 

Given your reads that your opponents were more likely to call, I think I would probably adjust to fold in situations where 44 is close to the border of your shoving range.  This is because I believe the added chip equity you gain by getting to be on the good side of a flip more often is countered by the $ev penalty of risk of going bust.  

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with less than ten big blinds here im shoving 44 like i would in a lot of tournament situations you cant really afford to get much lower in chips and with 44 even if you do get called youl have 50% a lot of time, that double up could be difference between bubbling and going onto to finish top two

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I'm on the shove too, pretty standard. We'll end up in a flip a lot of the time, which is fine, overall this i +EV IMO.

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Keep in mind that 6 handed means that UTG+1 is really HJ and you have 8 bbs.

 

Since this is live you should see if they want to discuss a deal. 

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Thanks for the replies. I usually would shove in this spot but I think I won't in the future if I think I am probably going to get called. I shoved and got called by the big blind with 66.So that was me gone.

As regards a deal, well, usually we chop when it gets down to two players.

It was an unusual spot as for some reason, all the weak players were still left and the stong players were out.

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