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February 9, 2014
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This is a bit old, but a very good starting point for people having issues with push fold spots.
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June 14, 2012
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Be sure to select the proper ante size on the bottom tab. I've screwed up a few spots when using this chart because I forgot to include antes.
January 27, 2013
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Been using that chart for a while now. Has a lot of tears on it, both of joy and saddness. Question… Do these ranges still hold up to today's game? Would anyone make these ranges more loose or more tight?
January 20, 2014
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Marc I can't thank you enough for posting the link to this chart. I found a big leak in my game when it came down to the later stages of mtts because my push/fold ranges were way off. So I started playing a lot of 3 tbl SNGs to work on my game at Final Tables. This chart has really helped my success a lot! Thank you.
It's caused me to think about another aspect of my game too though, and that's calling ranges. I know now when I should be shoving, but is there a chart or something that deals with calling all ins when you're in the bb? Or can you somehow use this chart for that?
Thanks again,
~Steve Barton
April 26, 2013
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I don't have any charts in a document format, but if you get your hands on the book “kill everyone” you will find an AI-call chart with correct calling ranges for the case that your opponent pushes correct equilibrium-ranges for all M <=8.
December 24, 2013
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don't forget though steve. dudes aren't shoving correctly, so we can't call correctly all the time 🙂 in general, my strat is call tighter against most people, shove correctly against aggro restealers,
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August 25, 2012
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Every time I hear people talk about charts I feel compelled to mention that charts are a guideline, and while following them will help you to go from making unprofitable plays to making profitable ones, in many spots there are alternatives to open-shoving which are far more profitable.
In the end, the profitability of any open-shove is going to be dependent on the calling ranges of players behind, so while using charts is helpful when starting out, it's also important to focus on adapting your ranges and making the most profitable play, not just settling for the security of knowing you made a play that isn't unprofitable.
January 20, 2014
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Yeah, you know there's something to that. I have found over the last week or so when I have been using that chart, I've had many situations where I feel like shoving J6s from the button isn't the best play when I have 15bb, but I do it because that's what the chart says. I'm going to try mixing in other plays and be more player dependant when using it.
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September 28, 2012
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theginger45 said:
Every time I hear people talk about charts I feel compelled to mention that charts are a guideline, and while following them will help you to go from making unprofitable plays to making profitable ones, in many spots there are alternatives to open-shoving which are far more profitable.
In the end, the profitability of any open-shove is going to be dependent on the calling ranges of players behind, so while using charts is helpful when starting out, it's also important to focus on adapting your ranges and making the most profitable play, not just settling for the security of knowing you made a play that isn't unprofitable.
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Too many people take these as gospel. They are great resource for people to study from. Occasionaly look at while palying. But relying too heavily on this chart goes agasint everything that makes a great poker poker great. And that is adjusting. You have to be able to adapt to your opponents, understand tenencies, and understand how they will react.
What I would advise is to use this cahrt to go voer past HHs. By doing this you can compare, see where you may operate outside of what charts say and then ask yourself why. You could have very well made a fine play, because maybe the villains never call so you shoved wider, or the villains are call happy and you are weak agasint large ranges so you folded. This idea should be a blueprint for which you build your game, not the foundation.
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September 28, 2012
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SIGABA said:
Marc I can't thank you enough for posting the link to this chart. I found a big leak in my game when it came down to the later stages of mtts because my push/fold ranges were way off. So I started playing a lot of 3 tbl SNGs to work on my game at Final Tables. This chart has really helped my success a lot! Thank you.
It's caused me to think about another aspect of my game too though, and that's calling ranges. I know now when I should be shoving, but is there a chart or something that deals with calling all ins when you're in the bb? Or can you somehow use this chart for that?
Thanks again,
~Steve Barton
This can be easily done through pokerstove calculations. Estimate their ragnes, and calculate your pot odds. plug in the hand you have and see if you are getting good enough odds Things get trickier when you still have people behind you left to act. When in BB you just need pot odds and range.
Download pokerstove from here:
https://github.com/andrewprock/pokerstove
Estimate the range of opponent. Then plug in your hand. See what your equity is and if you have odds to call.
One thing I suggest when using it to train and starting out is to find a break even range. See what your pot odds are so you can determine the equity you need, and then find what range gives you that equity. Now think about what you think villain will do and whether you think hes tighter or looser you can make your decision.
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January 27, 2013
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Started using the charts about 2 years ago. Used a lot during play. Found them very helpful to finding spots. I now have the ranges down pretty good without using the charts which allows me to think about other factors during play. Now, mainly use the Chart when reviewing hand histories.
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