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October 9, 2014
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Hi guys,
I would like to know if my question story makes any sence.
Now in the moment I have somekind of a “bad run“ lose every flip AK vs xx, KK get cracked all the time, even AA is doubtfull.
I play on stars fform 1$ till 11$ buy-ins tournamnets(non turbo so 10/15 minutes blindlevels), my standard play is to get it in preflop with less then 50bb stack, with AK, QQ+, as describe as above, things don`t really work out at the moment.
My Main question: schould I start to ship it inn more light so porexample 1010+, AQ+?
To make up/compensate for the suck outs on my “big hands like KK+, AK“ and try to suck out on other people?
Ofcourse things are player dependend, but in general?
Make this theory sence or no?
Kind regards
Wappie
September 14, 2014
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I think this theory can be good if your like a beginner to poker. As to which hands you should be shoving with it really depends on how you think your hand plays against your opponents range of hands
as to the question if you be shipping it in with hands like AQ 99/TT/JJ , again it really depends. For instance say i have a stack of 30bb and there's been a mid postion open and i'm on the button with 99, my reads are that he's aggressive and opens up with a big part of their range and is also capable to 4-bet with a wider value range , we may decide in that spot it's profitable to 3-bet call a shove.
You should get the book called Kill everyone , it has a graph which shows which hands you may want to shove with and with which hands you may want to call an all in with.
hope this helps.
August 4, 2014
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Hey there,
Is there anyway you meant 15bb stack instead of 50?
September 14, 2014
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I think he meant 50bb! 😀
August 4, 2014
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Ok got it. So if you are a beginner, I would advise you to read Dan Harrington on holdem 1,2,3. Especially 1,2 will build up a very strong foundation for you. The guy that wrote the book is on the tight side himself so he will not get you into trouble with his hand selections etc.
After you get the core idea, you can apply it to whereever you are playing and adjust your style according to the villains. Then all these videos on TPE will make even more sense and you will just be amazed by how these pros are thinking out of the box.
TPE Management
April 6, 2010
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I think by “getting it in” with 50bbs he does not mean just ripping 50bbs, but 3b/4b raising with the intention of getting it in.
October 9, 2014
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Yes, I mean to getting it 50bb in, (pre ante and or pre bubble)
Can I say as rule of thumb, if I want to stack somebody with around 50 bb with 1010 then villian need ship this minimum with 88+, AK?
With JJ, need villian have the tendency to stack of with 99+,AK?
Ofcourse when stacks get more shallow(between 1 till ~30 bb) then villians start to stack of more light, so 1010, JJ becomes a no brainer, in general (except the mega nits)
October 9, 2014
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NeverAA said:
Ok got it. So if you are a beginner, I would advise you to read Dan Harrington on holdem 1,2,3. Especially 1,2 will build up a very strong foundation for you. The guy that wrote the book is on the tight side himself so he will not get you into trouble with his hand selections etc.
After you get the core idea, you can apply it to whereever you are playing and adjust your style according to the villains. Then all these videos on TPE will make even more sense and you will just be amazed by how these pros are thinking out of the box.
I`m reading and try to understand, “winning tournaments, one hand at a time vol 1”
But this goes the most time about postflop play.
Thnaks for your advice
August 4, 2014
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Wappie said:
Yes, I mean to getting it 50bb in, (pre ante and or pre bubble)
Can I say as rule of thumb, if I want to stack somebody with around 50 bb with 1010 then villian need ship this minimum with 88+, AK?
With JJ, need villian have the tendency to stack of with 99+,AK?
Ofcourse when stacks get more shallow(between 1 till ~30 bb) then villians start to stack of more light, so 1010, JJ becomes a no brainer, in general (except the mega nits)
Well I think you should be thinking about these moves around 15bbs. Since then, there is no need for pushing. You want to get value out of your hands.
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August 25, 2012
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It’s aaaaallllllllll about ranges. If your opponent is getting 50bb in with a range against which TT does really well, then sure, get it in! But if he’s only getting it in with QQ+, definitely don’t get it in. But there are a huge number of factors that influence what a player’s range is in any spot. It’s natural to want to create rules of thumb for what’s necessary in order to stack off with certain hands at certain stack sizes, but it’s not really practical.
Instead, try starting out by putting yourself in the villain’s shoes. If you don’t know whether they would be stacking off with JJ in a certain spot, think from their perspective. Why would they do that? What are the arguments for and against? If you can learn to think like your opponents, you’ll be on your way to understanding their ranges more accurately. Good luck!
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