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Pub Poker, FT 3 Handed, 2 all ins and you wake up with AQ in big blind
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Liverpool015
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November 18, 2012 - 4:20 am
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Was in an interesting spot, wasnt sure what to do in terms of ICM or if i was even ahead.Although this may seem straight forward to someone else.

 

Button- Seemed like he knew what hes was doing, had made some plays post flop which i didnt expect from a normal pub player. Starting stack 28k.

Small Blind – Complete fish with massive betting tells. Dont mind if he has chips because i could grind him down the rest of the way. Stack – 22k

Big Blind (me) – No brag, but has a complete edge on both of them. Chip leader and should be taking this tourny down 99% in this position. Stack- 38K

 

Payouts (only 2 places)

1- $300

2- $100

 

Blinds 2k, 4k noante

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Button shoves for 28k, Small blind calls with his 22k, I wake up with AQ offsuit.

 

Is this a call or fold?

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November 18, 2012 - 4:23 am
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with only two places paid, i think this is a snap fold – doesnt matter who wins out of the two, you are pretty much going heads up next hand or soon after. that alone would make it a fold

 

I think my calling range would be QQ+. I just think there is no need to get involved here, its a spot where you could nearly fold without looking

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Before looking at nash, this looks like an insta-call. Button has only 7bb and SB has only 5.5bb. We are the chip leader three-handed with a premium hand facing two shoves 7bb effective. I am never folding in this spot no matter how tight either player is. It's just that simple. As the chip leader, we can take more +cEV risks and our hand is very strong compared to their ranges. 

 

I entered the stacks and payout structure into nash icm calculator. I know that neither player will be shoving the correct range here, but it is useful reference.

BB shove: 33.9%, 22+ Ax+ K5s+ KTo+ Q7s+ QTo+ J7s+ JTo T7s+ T9o 97s+ 87s 76s

SB call: 10.7%, 66+ A8s+ A9o+ KQs

Hero overcall: 10%, 55+ ATs+ ATo+ KJs+

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November 18, 2012 - 6:16 am
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Liverpool015 said:

Chip leader and should be taking this tourny down 99% in this position

I'm not trying to be pedantic here but your edge here is now only push/fold and so it's going to be pretty small. With these prizes I wouldn't be too concerned with ICM personally and would play to win, I think you are ahead of both their ranges so I would call. If second place was more significant then I would be less confident about calling. But packallama has done the work for us and even with ICM concerns it seems to be a call.

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packallama said:

Before looking at nash, this looks like an insta-call. Button has only 7bb and SB has only 5.5bb. We are the chip leader three-handed with a premium hand facing two shoves 7bb effective. I am never folding in this spot no matter how tight either player is. It's just that simple. As the chip leader, we can take more +cEV risks and our hand is very strong compared to their ranges. 

 

I entered the stacks and payout structure into nash icm calculator. I know that neither player will be shoving the correct range here, but it is useful reference.

BB shove: 33.9%, 22+ Ax+ K5s+ KTo+ Q7s+ QTo+ J7s+ JTo T7s+ T9o 97s+ 87s 76s

SB call: 10.7%, 66+ A8s+ A9o+ KQs

Hero overcall: 10%, 55+ ATs+ ATo+ KJs+

their ranges are so much tighter than that imo, but it is interesting that its so wide

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