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February 23, 2016
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At the first hand , i thought the villain has a queen or maybe a flushdraw like me.The ace on the turn made me turn my hand into a semibluff
At the second hand i am not sure if i played that hand correctly.Villain had 10$ bounty which is 10 times bigger than the starting bounty which means mathimatically that i should have at least 25% preflop , yet he had the worst hand for me 😛 If the bb would shove i would fold for sure.
No Limit Holdem Tournament PokerStars
7 Players
$1.00+$1.00+$0.20
Blinds 8.5k/17k 7
UTG forvardok 364k
UTG+1 skrilla602 488k
MP hannybibi05 777k
CO Munke90 185k
D Hero 313k
SB KV*MerzaveC* 233k
BB zaoral96 292k
7 40k Hero is BTN T 9
4 folds, Hero raises to 36k, 1 fold, zaoral96 calls 19k
2 95k 5 8 Q
zaoral96 bets 34k, Hero calls 34k
2 163k A
zaoral96 bets 34k, Hero raises to 88k, zaoral96 calls 54k
2 340k A
zaoral96 checks, Hero goes all-in 152k, zaoral96 folds
Hero wins 492k (net +180k)
zaoral96 lost 160k
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9 Players
$1.00+$1.00+$0.20
Blinds 2k/4k 9
UTG Zhukc 93k
UTG+1 Ronnie447 26k
MP1 Paulica1985 131k
MP2 applez6 52k
MP3 sraccc27 41k
CO RgaviyMe4 25k
D Munke90 164k
SB Hero 113k
BB Dr.Reid202 74k
9 11k Hero is SB 3 9
5 folds, RgaviyMe4 goes all-in 24k, 1 fold, Hero calls 22k, 1 fold
2 57k, 1 all-in A J 8
2 57k, 1 all-in 6
2 57k, 1 all-in 8
Hero shows a pair of Eights 3 9
RgaviyMe4 shows two pair, Nines and Eights 9 9
RgaviyMe4 wins 57k (net +32k)
Hero lost 25k
June 11, 2012
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Hand 1: i am raising flop and barrel off there
hand 2: hand two you can actually make the calculation. if 1$=3000 chips then 10×1$=10×3000=30 000 chips you can add to the pot and see what % you need given you win his entire bounty.
prob flat the top X% of my range to trap and the bottom Y% to c/fold and shoving a junk in the middle
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December 6, 2012
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florianm1 said
Hand 1: i am raising flop and barrel off there
hand 2: hand two you can actually make the calculation. if 1$=3000 chips then 10×1$=10×3000=30 000 chips you can add to the pot and see what % you need given you win his entire bounty.
prob flat the top X% of my range to trap and the bottom Y% to c/fold and shoving a junk in the middle
Unfortunately I don’t think the calculation is that straightforward. $1 doesn’t just get you 3000 chips, it also gets you the ability to win bounties. That $1 buys you a share of each other player’s bounty. Think of it this way: starting with 2999 chips would be a good deal worse than starting with 3000 if everyone else had 3000. You’re certainly on the right track in terms of estimating how much the chips are worth, but it’s quite complicated to do (I don’t know how to do it and have never seen it done well).
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December 6, 2012
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florianm1 said
seems to be as easy as i thought
I see that he’s making the same argument you are, but I don’t think it addresses the problems I raised with calculating it in that way.
June 11, 2012
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i did now a fair amount of googling and everyone seems to calculate it the same way. you have a better sugestion? would be curious to understand it better
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December 6, 2012
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florianm1 said
i did now a fair amount of googling and everyone seems to calculate it the same way. you have a better sugestion? would be curious to understand it better
Foucault said
I don’t know how to do it and have never seen it done well.
December 30, 2015
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I agree. I’ve been thinking about this a lot and I don’t see how there can be a simple calculation. That bounty doesn’t change the EV of a hand in chip-form, but it sure can make a tournament more profitable. These warring concepts are what fascinate me about these tournaments and what I think would make the math really hard to justify.
I think the most interesting point in a Prog. KO tournament is when the bounties and the pay jumps start to become about equal. A pay jump may call for a tighter open and call range whereas a bounty may loosen people up in an otherwise tight situation. There is still more money up top but a few big bounties can really reduce variance.
Not really related, but I’ve been toying with a fun strategy. Rather than going all in I leave some chips behind. Now anyone who wants to race for my bounty preflop has to raise, not call, which can offer some protection, especially when really short-stacked which in a KO means 0% fold equity. In reality I am getting it in on the flop about 99.99% of the time, but people still re-raise preflop out of greed. Plus, it’s funny to me… It can also fool some multi-tablers in to auto-folding if they don’t notice my effective, but not quite, all-in.
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