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PS $3 rb 180 man - gamble in this spot?
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September 14, 2010 - 12:13 am
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PS $3 rb 180 man ; 9/24 — butt pretty solid player – prob wide range but rafaelstars is 47/15  and has been calling w Ax type hands. I've been open shoving alot so my image to him is def loose.  

Happily calling the butt,  but what about rafael to my left?  Would some pple welcome the triple up chance?

 

Poker Stars $3.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t1500/t3000 Blinds + t300 – 8 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

rafealstars (BB): BB = 28.5, t85439
CanossaAA (UTG): BB = 12.2, t36656
scrappie1r (UTG+1): BB = 3.7, t11085
Jamalshabazz (MP1): BB = 12.0, t35949
hippechic (MP2): BB = 6.6, t19670
duce_seven27 (CO): BB = 6.6, t19840
JQKAndrez (BTN): BB = 7.6, t22814
mm209 (SB): BB = 12.2, t36730

Pre Flop: (t6900) mm209 is SB with J of hearts T of clubs
5 folds, JQKAndrez raises to t22514 all in

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September 14, 2010 - 1:06 am
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I'm folding here……you would be calling off 2/3 of your stack with J high……I'd much rather be doing the jamming and using your fold equity to your advantage.

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September 14, 2010 - 1:16 am
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Cougars4444 said:

I'm folding here……you would be calling off 2/3 of your stack with J high……I'd much rather be doing the jamming and using your fold equity to your advantage.


+1, Cougars when is your first vid?  I am a big fan of the posts ive seen you make.  mmfitter, to me this is a fold as well, and i tend to get pretty aggressive late game.  My leak at one point was I was jamming and calling too wide, and this would have been borderline to me then.  You are almost never happy with a hand he turns over, probably around neutral to slightly positive ev call in a vacuum, but you have a big stack behind you and your fold equity to worry about.  

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September 14, 2010 - 6:20 am
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OK – this may be a gd example of something I'm a little confused about.

Panda has said that he would ship at certain spots that I thought were certain folds, because he said most pple don't correctly call a wide enough range.

Recently, my shoving range has widened considerably, especially during endgame and I'm seeing how effective it could be to get your stack in even when you know you are prob never ahead, but there are chips in the middle to win – open shoves and 3betting (bigdog style), and the rewards of chipping up justifies the risk.

Here, if I was last to act and I knew the butt is a gd player and is correctly shoving very wide, TJo is not a correct call with my stack?

 I'm seeing that there's a fine line between correctly calling wide and applying the gap concept.

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September 14, 2010 - 6:09 pm
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Had to edit my post because I didn't put a question mark at the end of the second to last sentence. It made no sense without the question mark. Sorry about that.

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