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Is this pre raise too small bearing in mind that 90% of this table are fish but will fold to raises?
***** Cassava Hand History for Game 387045296 *****
$75/$150 Blinds No Limit Holdem – *** 29 05 2012 19:39:54
Tournament #38449976 $5 + $0.50 – Table #28 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: mojodk ( $12,275 )
Seat 2: m4ddm4n ( $3,470 )
Seat 3: Adam_11 ( $3,882 )
Seat 4: Doggy.83 ( $2,500 )
Seat 6: Dander66 ( $6,650 )
Seat 7: michi0323 ( $2,019 )
Seat 9: OceHb ( $4,355 )
Seat 10: 03041971780 ( $1,394 )
mojodk posts small blind [$75]
m4ddm4n posts big blind [$150]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to m4ddm4n [ As, Kd ]
Adam_11 calls [$150]
Doggy.83 calls [$150]
Dander66 calls [$150]
michi0323 folds
OceHb folds
03041971780 calls [$150]
mojodk folds
m4ddm4n raises [$775]
Adam_11 calls [$775]
Doggy.83 calls [$775]
Dander66 calls [$775]
03041971780 raises [$1,244]
m4ddm4n raises [$2,545]
Adam_11 folds
Doggy.83 calls [$1,575]
Dander66 folds
** Dealing flop ** [ 3d, Tc, 6d ]
** Dealing turn ** [ 6h ]
** Dealing river ** [ 4c ]
** Summary **
m4ddm4n shows [ As, Kd ]
Doggy.83 shows [ 4h, Kh ]
03041971780 shows [ 3h, 3s ]
03041971780 collected [ $6,107 ]
Doggy.83 collected [ $2,212 ]
October 6, 2010
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i actually think its a little small, and my experience on 888 is that they WILL call a bunch.
I would say its a little too small, especially being oop. There is also an argument just to be shipping this pre. If we ship and get folds we win 825 in chips, but more importanly, we dont put in 1/3 of our stack pre and have to check/fold when we miss the flop 2/3 of the time. Luckily someone spazzed out and you could get it in pre.
October 6, 2010
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agree with the above, i think i ship pre
Yes, 23bb pre in multi way pot, just shove and hope you hold.
It’s the whole “no-antes” thing for me. I’ve been re-listening to the older TPE podcasts about wasting chips without antes as the pot isn’t worth it.
I nearly shoved this and would have on Stars or with antes, but the 888 field is so soft I can get so much more value out of any actual made hand without risking 3 callers to a shove with a playable stack. Looking at the pot now though, there is probably enough to risk getting 3 callers. Any other site, this is a shove easily:)
Anyway, just my thoughts at the time 😛
m@ddm@n said:
It's the whole “no-antes” thing for me. I've been re-listening to the older TPE podcasts about wasting chips without antes as the pot isn't worth it.
I nearly shoved this and would have on Stars or with antes, but the 888 field is so soft I can get so much more value out of any actual made hand without risking 3 callers to a shove with a playable stack. Looking at the pot now though, there is probably enough to risk getting 3 callers. Any other site, this is a shove easily:)
Anyway, just my thoughts at the time 😛
with your stack size i think raising to 775 and folding any flop will be a mistake, i think you should just rip it in pre….i dont hate the raise if you know your stacking every flop tho
October 6, 2010
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if you jam and they fold, you will be adding 675 to your stack which is a near 20% addition to your stack, and your equity when they do call is great, you are never ever crushed here, you are either flipping or have them dominated (most likely flipping). so with all that dead money out there i think shoving is awesome. yes, its no antes, but all those limpers generate more dead money than what antes do anyway
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