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Post-Flop Checkup
DuckinDaDeck
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Ran into some post-flop spots during my most recent session where I felt pretty unsure of what to do. Not sure if it is rust (recently took almost 3 weeks off), being in a conscious incompetence part of the learning curve, or just mistakes I made previously in the hands. Let me know if it’s frowned upon/counter-productive to put multiple hands in the same thread, but I figured it was better than starting 3 new threads in quick succession.

— Hand 1: $22 Mini Battle Royale —

Not sure if this was a great 3bet. Over 61 hands villain had RFI of 40 (10/25) with 6/10 in MP, bet sizing and general post-flop play seemed to indicate a competent player. About 20 hands earlier, with ~110bb, villain showed down Q9s after opening from UTG+1 so I think we can assume a pretty wide opening range. I like targeting these players in position with blockers, but there’s a lot of hands I’d prefer to play in an inflated pot than ATo.

PokerStars – 60/120 Ante 12 NL – Holdem – 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 67.78 BB
UTG+1: 89.78 BB
MP: 89.28 BB
MP+1: 71.82 BB
MP+2: 89.8 BB
CO: 97.64 BB
Hero (BTN): 83.68 BB
SB: 55.2 BB
BB: 126.33 BB

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has Aspade Tclub

fold, fold, MP raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 7.37 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 4.87 BB

Flop: (17.15 BB, 2 players) 7club 8spade Theart
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: (17.15 BB, 2 players) 5diamond
MP bets 8.57 BB, Hero calls 8.57 BB

River: (34.3 BB, 2 players) Qspade
MP checks, Hero ?

I think checking flop was probably a mistake, of my 3-betting hands I’d much prefer to check with QTs/JTs, 98s, etc. At the time I was thinking it would be hard to get three bets in against worse hands and that I didn’t want to put stacks in play without improving, so decided to see the turn before building an already inflated pot. Do we prefer front-loading our value here? Also interested in whether we like a value bet of ~2/5 pot on the river and (obviously) I welcome opinions on any of the decisions.

 

— Hand 2: $33 Bounty Builder —

Have villain tagged as a LAG-fish, 42/23 with 40% fold to 3bet (and no 4bets) over 172 hands, loose-passive on flops (38% cbet, 27% fold to cbet, 0% 2bet) and very aggressive on turn (4/4 bet vs missed flop cbet, 63% Afreq) and river (67% Afreq).

PokerStars – 45/90 Ante 14 NL – Holdem – 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+2: 83.64 BB
Hero (CO): 65.94 BB
BTN: 51.32 BB
SB: 48.08 BB
BB: 33.14 BB
UTG: 75.44 BB
UTG+1: 38.57 BB
MP: 79.06 BB
MP+1: 30.5 BB

9 players post ante of 0.16 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.9 BB) Hero has Tspade Theart

fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+2 raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 5.83 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP+2 calls 3.83 BB

Flop: (14.57 BB, 2 players) Adiamond 4spade Aheart
MP+2 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (14.57 BB, 2 players) 6heart
MP+2 bets 7.29 BB, Hero calls 7.29 BB

River: (29.14 BB, 2 players) 4club
MP+2 bets 14.58 BB, Hero ?

My plan on flop was to check and let him barrel at me, although I think c-betting is also a good option. Pretty good run-out for my plan, but bet sizing on river made me uncomfortable. I felt this player was going bigger with his bluffs, but I couldn’t remember a specific hand where I had seen that, so decided not to deviate from my plan. Against a stronger opponent I would prefer calling river with no heart in my hand, but didn’t think it mattered much here. Thoughts?

 

— Hand 3: $16.50 Bounty Builder —

No meaningful read on opponent, aside from seeing them cold call an open twice (in later position) on a similar size stack. 

PokerStars – 150/300 Ante 50 NL – Holdem – 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG): 49.31 BB
UTG+1: 16.17 BB
MP: 25.97 BB
MP+1: 15.66 BB
CO: 53.03 BB
BTN: 25.03 BB
SB: 228.19 BB
BB: 43.02 BB

8 players post ante of 0.17 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.83 BB) Hero has Kclub Qclub

Hero raises to 2.33 BB, fold, MP calls 2.33 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 1.83 BB, fold

Flop: (9.32 BB, 3 players) 5spade 5club 9heart
SB checks, Hero bets 2.42 BB, MP calls 2.42 BB, fold

Turn: (14.17 BB, 2 players) 6diamond
Hero bets 6.52 BB, MP calls 6.52 BB

River: (27.2 BB, 2 players) Qspade
Hero ?

I like making a small bet on the flop followed by a leveraging bet on the turn with KQ/KJ on this type of board, mainly hoping to get A high to put a few chips in the middle and then fold. SB was seeing a ton of flops (as a big stack should be doing in PKOs) but, considering that the flop was contested 3 ways, I think this was a pretty bad spot for my line. I was shutting down on the river, but when my hand improved I was unsure of what to do. Villain had an $18.75 bounty.

 

Thanks in advance for any thoughts and advice!

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October 20, 2017 - 9:44 am
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Hand 1 – Bet flop. Although you’re right that you don’t want to play for stacks, you do want to front load and get some protection from live J/Q/Kx.

Hand 2 – I’d make a slightly larger 3bet pre, and I’d make a small c-bet on flop. Your hand really isn’t a good one for closing your eyes and calling down, as it’s quite vulnerable. Also I think it’s tough to balance a checking range in this spot, because your 3-betting range is so strong on this board. I’d just bet small with range.

Hand 3 – Close spots on flop and turn but I think your plan/thining is OK. Having gotten this far, I can’t see anything other than shove river, especially when Villain has a bounty on him. He only has half pot in his stack, right?

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Thanks Andrew. Two quick follow up questions for hand #1:

Do you also prefer c-betting the other hands I mentioned (QT/JTs,98s) or do those hands play better as a check?

Do you think betting the river ~2/5 pot is profitable as played?

Some good news, played last night and felt much more comfortable in a few tricky spots.

Hand results below because I can’t resist.

— Hand 1 —

MP checks, Hero bets 13.92 BB, MP calls 13.92 BB

Hero shows Aspade Tclub (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 29%, Flop 19%, Turn 11%)
MP shows Jdiamond Jheart (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 71%, Flop 81%, Turn 89%)
MP wins 62.13 BB

— Hand 2 —

MP+2 bets 14.58 BB, Hero calls 14.58 BB

MP+2 shows Jclub Jspade (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks)
(Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
Hero mucks Tspade Theart (Two Pair, Aces and Tens)
(Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
MP+2 wins 58.3 BB

— Hand 3 —

Hero bets 17.95 BB, MP calls 14.53 BB and is all-in

Hero shows Kclub Qclub (Two Pair, Queens and Fives)
(Pre 17%, Flop 6%, Turn 0%)
MP shows Adiamond Aspade (Two Pair, Aces and Fives)
(Pre 83%, Flop 94%, Turn 100%)
MP wins 56.26 BB

The last one hurt because he tanked half his timebank before calling, and I’m not even sure it was a slowroll. Would have been bounty daddy if I got the KO. cry

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Hand nº1: Bet flop (I scroll down and saw Andrew´s answer here, hope that didn´t affect me jejeje… from now on I haven´t looked)… betting flop you can extract some value from str8 draws, and some SC like 76s… I think this bet here is for thin value, sucks to get check raised here, and if v does that, I think is better to fold, there will be a lot cards better for V´s range ott and river.

I don´t see any reason to reraise V´s bet ott, so a call for me too.

OTR I think you can go small, thin value, getting value from some Ax, or small PP. So I would bet 1/3 or smaller, folding if check raised.

 

Hand nº2: I like your line. I would call river.

I don´t like much to bet the flop, my Vs are more like fit or fold, so I am probably crushed by their check calling range, not sure the field you play tow; and this V, against an average V on my limits i would making some crying call otr, I don´t use a HUD; with the stats that you gave, this particular V seems to be more aggressive on turn and river decisions, he probably can turn small PP into bluffs, (33 for a pure bluff will be a nice move from V I guess, maybe he can bet 55 to get some value from Kx you 3betting with).

 

Hand nº3: I don´t like the Cbet otf, unless you plan to keep barreling, but I am unsure on how many cards you can barrel profitable here, because it is 3way pot.

I would say SB´s range is probably tighter, because oop, but he is too deep, and you said he is playing pretty wide, I don´t think you can get them off of PP or SC that has gutshots in it, like 67 78.

OTR I would shove oop, iv V has a monster he will bet, if he has weak showdown value he will check, not sure how many bluffs will be there, but I don’t think will be enough for check calling be profitable.

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Hand 1 – Definitely bet flop, you block a lot of c/r hands and equity denial is important here.

Hand 2 – Probably c-betting 100% of range on a flop like that in a 3-bet pot, it makes life a lot easier and avoids these bluffcatch spots entirely. As it stands, I think people under-bluff these spots so I’m okay folding river.

Hand 3 – Would probably check flop, after betting I think turn is definitely a check. As played I imagine you can shove river and get called by 9x enough to make it okay, especially with the bounty in play.

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