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June 9, 2013
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This hand came up in a Stars $1 reebuy and I'm not sure if it was just unlucky, or I could have played it right. It's mid stages with around 1700 left and 660 paid. I have 52BB and am in the top 50 at this point.
Poker Stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t5000/t10000 Blinds + t1000 – 9 players – View hand 2257269
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Diaphanus (UTG+2): BB = 9.7, t97300
Da Pipster (MP1): BB = 13.1, t131274
barata2202 (MP2): BB = 15.4, t154420
Hero (CO): BB = 52.5, t525453
armj05 (BTN): BB = 20.9, t208900
bacan28 (SB): BB = 16.0, t160060
ee by gum (BB): BB = 41.0, t409585
Hawqiii (UTG): BB = 19.7, t196676
cvitaf36 (UTG+1): BB = 16.0, t160302
Pre Flop: (t24000) Hero is CO with A
K
3 folds, Da Pipster raises to t40000, 1 fold, Hero raises to t524453 all in, 2 folds, ee by gum calls t398585 all in, Da Pipster calls t90274 all in
Flop: (t961444) T
6 Q
(3 players – 3 are all in)
Turn: (t961444) 5
(3 players – 3 are all in)
River: (t961444) 3 (3 players – 3 are all in)
Ok so my thought process here is that with DaPipster betting 30% of his stack and me always 3betting with AKs in this spot, it makes sense to 3 bet to 14bb and put him all in rather than a standard 10bb which I would normally do if his stack was similar to mine. However, by doing that I am committing 33% of my stack pre flop and faced with a 4bet shove I figured I would be too pot committed to fold at this point. Also I am only really worried about ee by gum as his stack is not much smaller than mine so I figure he has to be calling pretty tight. Obviously he hits the top of his range and I end up shipping most of my stack but my question here really is whether or not I was right to shove in the first place? Is anybody 3bet-folding here to a shove from ee by gum?
It's a 3x turbo so you really need to capitalise on your big hands and variance is going to be much higher so I really can't see me playing the hand any other way but I'm interested to see what others think.
Cheers in advance!
August 23, 2012
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I would probably 3b to 8bbs to induce gum. It gets the same job done as 14bb but it gives gum the illusion of fold equity with a 4b shove. Never 3b/folded to gum unless he is an incredible nit.
October 6, 2010
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packallama said:
I would probably 3b to 8bbs to induce gum. It gets the same job done as 14bb but it gives gum the illusion of fold equity with a 4b shove. Never 3b/folded to gum unless he is an incredible nit.
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July 7, 2012
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I'm never 3bet folding this hand in a turbo. People rarely consider the overall situation in a turbo and really only focus on their own cards. 'ee by gum' could easily have looked down at 99 or AQ at start of hand and decided before any action that he would get it in.
I think you have to 3bet enough to cover the orignal openers stack to avoid someone else coming along knowing the betting will be capped by the short stack allin being an underaise, therefor stopping you from raising again.
My only observation is that in the lower stakes, when someone opens for 4x, it is with v high frequency a premium pocket pair (QQ+). So, unless this guy had been 4x opening very hand he played (which I doubt) this is a clear tell. Having said all that, the original raiser only has 9bbs! so this could mean anything.
SO, think you played it fine. If you ran into AA, KK so be it, its really just a cooler in this situation. He can easily be 4bet jamming TT+ and AJs+ in this turbo format.
June 9, 2013
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Thanks guys will bear in mind your observation about 4x ing
March 21, 2013
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basically what everybody else said, just bad variance and I'd 3b smaller (with my entire range) just to induce or be capable of laying off when you're weaker sometimes when Isoing small stakcks and be capable to fold when needed
February 3, 2013
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especially in THIS tourney i would just jam AKs, like u did. This tourney is FULL of bad players, which often could call u behind even with AJ. 4bet looks alot stronger imo. But like ive told, just because of this special 1$r tourney
March 8, 2013
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I agree with most of the posters, but mainly want to address the following point: “Ok so my thought process here is that with DaPipster betting 30% of his stack and me always 3betting with AKs in this spot, it makes sense to 3 bet to 14bb and put him all in rather than a standard 10bb which I would normally do if his stack was similar to mine. ”
I don't understand your logic. If you make is 10BB, DaPipster is clearly going to jam or fold, and even if he does decide to flat, why is that a problem? Basically, he's small enough you can consider his chips a foregone conclusion, and make your bet the correct size relative to the other stacks.
June 9, 2013
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markconkle said:
I don't understand your logic. If you make is 10BB, DaPipster is clearly going to jam or fold, and even if he does decide to flat, why is that a problem? Basically, he's small enough you can consider his chips a foregone conclusion, and make your bet the correct size relative to the other stacks.
This makes sense. So if I 3bet 10BB and gum 4bet shoves I guess should fold and still have a 40BB stack behind and try and find better spots later on? I would definitely take this line in a normal tournament, but with it being a turbo I think I was just in the “chip up or go home”
March 8, 2013
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i think that play is fine. 3betting to 10BB and calling a shove seems even better to me, as you will be getting very good odds to flip. Basically, by 3bet/calling you get your chips in against a wider range from gum than by just shoving.
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