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February 25, 2015 - 12:50 pm
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1. What is “top and bottom of bluffing range? 
2. What is bluff catching range?
3. What is C betting range?

Please send examples of these.

 

Thanks

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Hi coffee. I know there's a lot of jargon that gets bandied about here, and I'd be happy to try to clarify it for you. It would be helpful to know a bit more about what you already understand, though. Do you know what a range is? Do you know what a continuation bet (c bet) is? I'll do my best here:

1. A bluffing range is all of the hands a player would bluff with in a given situation. I don't know that it really makes sense to talk about this range having a top or bottom, because usually bluffs are all very weak hands (a value range is more likely to have a top and bottom, because not all value bets are equally strong). But I guess the top of a bluffing range would be the best hands a player would bluff in a given situation, and the bottom would be the worst hands.

2. A bluff catcher is a hand that can only beat a bluff. Often, especially on the river, one player will make a large bet representing a very strong hand. He will do this with both very strong hands (his value range) and bluffs (his bluffing range). His opponent would have an easy call if he himself had a very strong hand. Usually, however, his opponent needs to call with some hands that can only beat bluffs or he risks making bluffing very profitable for his opponent. These weaker hands that call hoping to be ahead of a bluff are his bluff catchign range.

3. A continuation bet is a bet made by the pre-flop raiser on the flop. The idea is that, by raising pre-flop, he has represented a strong hand, whereas the player who called him probably does not have a strong hand or that player would have re-raised. Thus, on any given flop, the pre-flop raiser will usually bet all of his strong hands plus some bluffs. This entire range of hands that he bets on the flop is his c-betting range.

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February 25, 2015 - 5:04 pm
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Thanks for posting this as a thread coffay.

1) What is the XX/XX/XX when we are discussing villain stats?  I am under the impression that it is VPIP (%Voluntarily putting money in preflop)/PFR (%Preflop raise)/3bet (%3bet) ?

2) In HM (and probably Pokertracker) does the limp % include limping behind or is it just an open limp %?

3) What does ITT stand for?  “in this thread” ?

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February 25, 2015 - 5:36 pm
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@derSchwartz:

 

1) Yes that is the standard notation most people post in. Some will add a 4th stat which is aggression factor.

 

2) I believe it includes all limping.

 

3) In this topic/thread.

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So a range is a set of hands you play in a similar way in a given situation. Thinking of ranges puts you in the mindset of devising a general strategy vs playing each hand as its own special case.

When you open preflop from the hijack with AKo, you are essentially adding AKo to your hijack opening range. Say you get one caller and the flop comes 843r and you have to decide if you are going to bet or check. Betting puts the hand in you c-betting range. If you instead check and call when your opponent bets. That would put the hand in your bluff -catching range.

When you think about ranges you are taking a more generic approach.. against strong opponents you rarely want to be in a spot where you are never bluffing or always bluffing . If you are easy to read you are easy for them to play against. The idea of constructing ranges lets you think in advance not just “how often should i be bluffing here”? but “which hands should i be bluffing?”

The top and bottom of your range are the strongest abd weakest hands in the set for the situation.

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Thanks, yes I know what a opening range is, I have been playing live a few years, but was watching the Daryl Jace advanced hand analysis and he used the terms “the top of my bluffing range” and bottom of bluffing range, then c-betting range etc.

 

So I was hoping for some examples of these terms, i.e ace suited, any small pair etc….

 

I haven't heard any live player use these terms

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Basically you have a range, of all hands you play with up to the current action. In that range you will have different parts (bet, check, check/raise, check/fold etc – depending if in position or OOP and stage of the hand).

For instance, pretend we raised pre-flop from the Hi-jack and the big blind defends. We see a flop of KT4 and the BB checks to us. If we are opening the top 50% of hands, we will have different parts of this 50% range which we will check behind or cbet. As an example, our check behind range may include middle pairs like JT, QT etc whereas our cbet range may include top pairs, draws like QJ, AQ etc. Some of these hands would be considered a cbet-bluff range. As the hand progresses our range narrows and different combinations will be in different parts of our range, depending on our and opponents actions. It is handy to note that a particular hand combination may fit into two parts of our range (check or bet for example).

It sounds as if Andrew's new series will be quite handy for yourself as well to understand parts of a range, and ultimately how to balance these (when its released).

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