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pocket threes against shipitnit
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May 20, 2010 - 12:42 am
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold’em, 5.5 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) – Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

CO (t1530)
Hero (Button) (t1450)
SB (t1560)
BB (t1440)
UTG (t1704)
UTG+1 (t1755)
MP1 (t1255)
MP2 (t1605)
MP3 (t1201)

Hero’s M: 48.33

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, A
4 folds, MP3 bets t60, 1 fold, Hero raises to t240, 2 folds, MP3 calls t180

I figure tha the min raise here represented a lot of possiblility, i havent’ played with the villian (eheh the villain ) before so i didnt’ know if minraising was within his range or if he was minraising aces (ace queen in my hand unlikey he had that ),kings, or pair hoping to see flop trying to buy it cheaply.

So I figure that a 3 bet to four times his raise should be enough to put the pressure on, and defining his hand..

also should a bigger reraise be called for here ? 

Flop: (t510) 3, A, 2 (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets t400, MP3 calls t400

 

I asked myself who calls a raise with ace 2, ace 3, , ace 4, ace 5,, so i put him ona  lesser ace when he called, ace ten, ace jack.

ace king or aces would of reraised right.  

Turn: (t1310) 6 (2 players)
MP3 bets t561 (All-In), Hero calls t561

 

by now i was pot commited so it was an easy call, i aslo figured that my hand should be good a lot of times,

River: (t2432) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t2432

i didnt’ put him on that range he had, should i have found a way to put his super villian on this range ?I still didnt know why he called unless he figured he had implied odds against this super nit *which he did by the way*

Results below:
Hero had Q, A (one pair, Aces).
MP3 had 3, 3 (three of a kind, threes).
Outcome: MP3 won t2432

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May 20, 2010 - 1:19 pm
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I don’t think i’m going to raise PF with a stack this shallow.  If we had 3000 starting stacks, cool, but with 1500 it just feels like this pot is getting too big in relation to our stack size.  Also, I would have made it 180 if i did raise, not 240.  Same effect.

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soo.. if you would not raise with a stack this shallow,, you are saying you would fold or jam, or call the min bet ? just trying to understand it correctly.

in sit and goes this is mostly standard i think to raise pr with stack this shallow , of course they start out with 1500 chips for the most part.

 

i made it 4 times instead of 3 times his raise for the blind were still early and so it would put more pressure , due to stacks, at least that was my thinking.

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I would have flatted but, like i said, I have very little experience in 1500 starting stacks so that could be completely wrong.

 

I mean with stacks this shallow he’s going to raise you when you’re behind, and fold when you’re way ahead.  I don’t see how bloating the pot helps you here.

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yeah i agree with RFB.

 

and where are you getting the minraise from? if i’m reading correctly, the blinds are 10/20 and he raises to 60, which is 3x and pretty standard.

 

calling his raise keeps weaker Ax and Qx in his range, whereas raising makes him fold things like AJ/AT and KQ/QJ, etc. also, 3betting to 4x the raise is totally unecessary. you want to be able to have a 3bet-bluffing range and when you are bluffing you don’t want to have to 4x/fold.

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the funny thing is when i was playing live,, that it looked like a minraise (i expected 90 though giving the blinds it would be 4.5 in retrospect), though it wasn’t  as you pointed out hagbard.

 

I was hoping that raising his hand would take the pot down, and get him to fold small pockets was my goal which failed.

 

I don’t have a 3bet bluffing range yet, if i did call his raise and saw that flop i would be more inclined to fold, because i figure making a raise here,, could have ace 5 or something like that as it is early in the tourney. 

hmm i always thought of the 3 bet bluffing range as a cash game thing, or be situational like someone raising in late position but he should be moving in so he must be weak. or something like that.

 

 

 

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