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July 11, 2015
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Blinds: 1000/2000/300
Folds around.
Hero (Dealer): 45k, Dealt: 8s8c
Raises to 4500
Villian (Small Blind) : 60k, Calls.
Big blind folds.
Flop: 7h, Ks, Jc
Villian checks, Hero checks.
Turn: 6c
Villian bets 6000, Hero calls.
River: 3d
Villian bets- All in. Hero calls.
Villian shows: 9c, 9s.
Where did I go wrong on this hand? I decided to not C-bet the flop thinking that a king or jack could have been in his range and i did not want to get check raised. When Villian bets turn I feel like he definitely has a King or Jack, I decided to float and re-evaluate on turn because of the semi wet board. Villains all in on the river gives me the thought that he must be bluffing, (don't think any king or Jack is shoving river). Pocket 9s I think is a bluff in this situation so my read seems correct but it turned out to be a winner.
Did I go wrong with my read or my play of the hand? Would a c-bet on flop or raise on turn have turned this hand my way? Or is this just a tough unlucky situation?
Thanks all feedback helps.
April 30, 2015
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I might bet the flop with this one, especially when checked to me. The board is sufficiently wet for straight draws and so, the bet is kinda to protect my hand, and it might get a fold from villain as you were the PF aggressor. If you try to raise the turn, lets say ~16000, and villain shoves over you, then you have to fold, leaving ~11BB behind, which is not so sweet.
Agreed villain's shove on the river is a bluff, but I don't think you have the goods to snap call his bluff.
July 11, 2015
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Agree c-betting the flop could have helped me out, but feel like I’d be in another tough situation if Villian calls. Seeming he would float with pocket 9s and then the turn card not changing much, can I be confident in 2 barreling with my pocket 8s? If turn goes check check, Villian probably still shoves river..
June 11, 2012
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pre is fine
flop betting is a disaster in my opinion. we are not getting anything weaker to call and stronger hands will not fold.
turn is close between calling and folding depending on stats.
river is an easy fold
April 30, 2015
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florianm,
Flop betting is absolutely not for value, but as a bluff, repping something that could easily have hit your raising range pre. I really feel if we raise pre (from late position) and give up betting on flop, it is either a monster or we are giving up on the hand.
August 10, 2014
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Top pair weak kicker is a good candidate to put in our check back range. KK and JJ can possibly be in our check back range too. Anything that may have a tough time finding a value target.
The question of whether or not to cbet ultimately comes down to villain's image, and your confidence in your post flop play.
Checking back this flop lets a hand reading villain know that we probably have something with showdown value (although balancing our checkback range with certain value hands helps). Him taking that knowledge and choosing to barrel could be a good thing. Especially with busted draws out there.
That being said, the lowest variance option is to just cbet the flop. There are some hands we can get value from, and there is also a small chance he folds a better hand.
If you knew villain had a very low fold to cbet %, I'd feel very comfortable checking back this flop intending to call at least a turn bet.
As played, I think river is certainly a fold, unless you have a very good reason to call, and I'm not sure we do. Villain is certainly turning his hand into a bluff, but there are very few bluffing candidates in his range that we beat.
September 14, 2014
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I think checking back flop is fine as played, just think we're not getting called by worse too often here. I think if v checks turn we could go for a delayed c-bet , thoughts on this? or just check it down, either of those seems good. When v leads turn he may have draws in their range, may also have Kx in their range. I personally would of folded turn there's going to be a lot of river cards that does not improve our hand. As for the river , i'd fold , v is either going to have Kx in their range not to sure if maybe 7s or even 6s in their range, their's not many combos of that and i reckon they would of probably 3-bet shove these pre vs a button open , i also think AQ would be 3-bet shoved pre and maybe even ATs which makes me wonder if there's really much draws in villians range when they bet turn and river?.Many players wouldnt bluff river with a and like ATo T9s here either and if v is capable of doing that more power 2 him.
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