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please help me get thru this
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November 17, 2012 - 4:35 am
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had the week off to play some poker live (2-5 nl) in vegas, this is a list of hands i busted on, please help me get thru this as i can no longer see straight and dont even think i know how to play poker- 

I will list my hand first (most of these the money went in pre flop)

it all started on this hand-

AK vs AA i had 5bet all in (cooler. lilterly 3rd hand of the trip)

10s 8s vs 22 money got in on a flop of 10 8 2

77 vs JKo all in on a flop of 4 7 10 turn 8, river 9 for str8 (i had a set)

King high flush to a Ace high flush, did not get all the money in but got to showdown

KK vs AK all in pre flop- spikes an ace on flop

88 vs QJs all in on a flop of 8 7 2, back door flush draw calls and hits (i have a set)

KK vs AA all in pre flop

77 vs 55 all in pre flop – board is A 3 4 2 J

KK vs Q9 all in on a flop of K 6 7, get a hero call and turn is 8, river 9 for a str8 (i had a set)

77 vs QJs all in pre flop, river is a J

AA vs A3o all in pre flop on a 4 bet, bb calls. board runs K 4 5 J 2 for a str8

AA vs 44 all in pre flop, flop gives 44 a set

QQ vs A4 all in pre flop, another runner runner str8

AA vs 46 all in on the flop after 1/2 stack got in pre, flop came J 4 6

 

Holy shit!! I must be the worst poker player ever. yeah i get the money in alot but most of these hands i am way ahead when the money does go in. worst cards of my life, srry didnt give yall to much to go on but any advise for me would help tons. i never at any one of my 15+ sessions had more chips that i started with, stuck from the get go- please please help me. i am about to break stuff

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November 17, 2012 - 5:06 am
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I feel that these are just bad beats, and you made the best play possible given the information, i.e. you managed to get the money in with the best hand most of the time. The thing is, no hand is invincible to another, even when you have great equity on the flop e.g. the KK vs Q9 hand on K76 flop… KK will win 93% of the time, which means 7% of the time you're gonna lose.

 

As you say, there's not much to go on here… although the one that stands out for me is the AK hand that you 5bet on the 3rd hand. I can only guess that you're pretty deep here and by 5 bet jamming AK pre on the 3rd hand you're only going to get called by very strong hands. If villain raised from EP you might like to just flat AK in position pre to keep in worse Ax,Kx hands.

 

That's my two cents…

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November 17, 2012 - 8:57 am
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You can only control your actions and not how the cards run out. If you played your best and/or got the money in with the best hand then you should feel good about doing the right decisions. One way of avoiding feeling bad about bad beats is by not expecting to win even when you have the best hand. Remove any expectation from winning/losing all-ins. Every starting hand has equity against AA and top set is not invincible. You are going to lose with the best hand more often that you think you should.

You had a pretty bad string of beats/coolers. It will happen and it's probably better that it happens early in your poker career so that you can learn from it rather than going on tilt and spewing off a larger bankroll. Your bad beats have already happened so you need to do your best to learn from the experience. If you are on tilt then take a step back, read and learn about how to deal with it, and practice mothods of dealing with tilt. 

Jamo pointed out that getting AK in preflop with deepstacks is rarely +EV. Although it really depends on the positions and your history with a player. I agree that it is a usually the best play to flat a raise with AK against a full ring EP open. If you do 3b and get 4b, then only 5b shove if you feel the player has a bluff range. If they do not have a bluff range then you beat none of their value range and should fold. 

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November 17, 2012 - 2:15 pm
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So my 5bet jam of ak is just me playing my table image- I am a young white male (cant be in a casino without getting ID at least once), I think ppl put me on a much wider range than I actually play. Aka I'm not as laggy as u would think and often I find ppl play back at me just because of this. I am also holding an ace and a king- I cant just give him AA or KK right? I think a lot of the time the player will 4 bet me light nowadays, and even when he is not on a bluff I think he can easy hold 88-QQ (yes AA-KK too I guess), A10s+, KJs+ which I really don't mind getting it in against holding AK. It's not even the one or two bad beats that has me questioning if I know my head from my ass, it's the fact that I have now been sucked out on pretty hard 15 hands in a row- 15. I cant take it –

Do i know what I am doing anymore? Super doubtful

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First thing I'm gonna say is stop playing for a bit until you get your head around this, or if you insist on playing make sure it is at lower stakes! The absolute worst thing you could do right now is go chasing it.

 

Secondly, I'm 99.9% certain that anybody that has been playing poker for a while has gone through this kind of swing, probably more than once, I know I definitely have. It hits hard, especially when you get such a run in a short period of time. But it happens – fact. But, if you keep getting it in good it will swing your way.

 

A quote I keep coming back to “the better you play the more it will seem that you get sucked out on, and the less you will suck out” think on that.

 

Finally, echoing a post above, try not to 'expect' to win with the best hand, just know that you got in good and you got your opponent to make a mistake, the rest is out of your hands.

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