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December 14, 2016
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Hey all, I am new to MTT’s and new to the site. Fantastic resource, thanks to all involved. I cannot get enough – there just are not enough hours in the day!
I am interested in hearing thoughts on stack sizes and the plays available to us at each stage. I know it is a huge subject and covered all over TPE but as a noob I feel I need some guidelines in a nutshell.
Before I found TPE I created this table based on chapter 11 in The Raiser’s Edge book:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yWiLVfBgUXj2zHW_mM0qRA0S_03jB67xafuG4tTEDcY/edit?usp=sharing
Of course the book was written in 2000 so I was wondering if anything has changed drastically in this respect. I don’t expect so as stack sizes/pot odds don’t change but I would be grateful for your comments and thoughts on current trends.
February 5, 2015
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Lol I just looked at the chart.
Brother, I think you should take that down pronto. Then send me a copy. It can be our little secret!
It is a part of the solution to the game itself!
I love your chart. The dudes who wrote Raisers Edge were also involved with Kill Everyone and prior to these Kill Phil.
These are serious math based tomes. And very well respected. A lot of work will have gone in to all their information. I expect the vast majority of their work is mathematically accurate…and therefore timeless.
I studied philosophy at university. I remember very little. I was out of my freakin’ mind almost the entire time. I do, however, remember them talking about “A Priori” knowledge. I was taken with the notion that in whatever galaxy which might exist, in the furthest star system, even in every dimension which might exist in whatever plane of consciousness you can dream up…
One plus one will always equal two. Mathematics, the language of nature, is the only knowledge system we can be absolutely certain about, and this will remain true for ever more and applies and will apply anywhere science might one day take us.
You simply cannot argue with mathematics, and it is the main reason I love poker so much.
December 14, 2016
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Thanks for your reply I think you studied Kant, and clearly absorbed it somehow.
He said thoughts without content are empty, intuitions without concepts are blind.
Never be content to know how until you understand why and keep breaking it down until you get to the core.
It’s turtles all the way down, man!
And it’s sister 😉
July 7, 2012
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Excelent table, wish i had had access to that 10yrs ago. Probably could have if i had the book then lol.
That looks to be a pretty solid strategy and excllent basis to work from and will keep you right for the most part. The only things that seem to have changed in later years is the below 25bbs play. There is a trend to attempt UTG steals with min raises from >15bb stacks and also raise folding from these stacks as well. I would say these are nuances and personal preference.
In turbo mtts you can effectively apply the principles but almost 1/2 the stack size it applies to.
February 5, 2015
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Ahhh yes Kant. I just Wikipedia’d that old fool!
I remember him. I remember pure logic. That did my nut mate. I remember thinking “I Kan’t understand this nonsense”.
Syllogistic logic. Tony is a man. All men are deviants. Tony is therefore a deviant.
That is not anti man. It is, rather, a necessary truth.
Tautology. Wikipedia gives the example “all bachelors are unmarried”. I guess this is also a necessary truth.
But none of these examples are as pure as straightforward maths. At least, they are logically necessarily true through the filter of language. An alien being can relate immediately to “1+1=2”.
For him (or her) to deduce that “all bachelors are unmarried”‘ he would need to speak English for a start.
Thinking about it though, I guess “all bachelors are unmarried” could be considered a mathematical equation somehow.
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