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Hi,
The below questions apply to early game micro MTTs where both villian and I would have 40+bbs:
A spot I've been spewing off stacks lately is where I'm calling a villians PF raise with pocket pairs ranging from 88 – JJ.
Say we call a 3x PF raise with TT. Flop comes, for example, 2c 5h 9d.
If both villian and I have 40+bb stacks, how do you respond to his standard 1/2 or 2/3 cont bet??
Without reads, should we reraise his lead? If he then shoves are we mostly crushed?
Same lead by villian, do we flat call his flop and turn bets?
Would a PF 3 bet/fold approach be best?
I've donked off my stack a few times recently in this scenario, so any advice on best ways to minimise the damage of holding lesser overcards than villian would be very welcome.
Tks.
June 25, 2010
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I like to three bet pre if I am in position. If he cold 4bets we are almost always beat and can get away from it, if he calls, our hand has tons of equity, so 3-bet folding here pre doesn't turn our hand into a bluff imo. Of course against some people I will 3-bet get it in pre, but they would have to be pretty LAG or I would have to have some type of history with them.
tks, jshilling,
Below is an example highlighting my questions. Can I get away from this or is it coolered, gg??
Full Tilt Poker Daily Dollar Rebuy No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t50/t100 Blinds – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
acesup82111 (SB): t20905 209.05 BBs
classy22 (BB): t190 1.90 BBs
johanson7564 (UTG): t5260 52.60 BBs
Frennygabi (UTG+1): t9950 99.50 BBs
josefran1987 (UTG+2): t5900 59 BBs
dimas43 (MP1): t15752 157.52 BBs
-QQuartz- (MP2): t7195 71.95 BBs
chelle_can (CO): t8370 83.70 BBs
benedeklevi (BTN): t13510 135.10 BBs
Pre Flop: (t150) -QQuartz- is MP2 with J
J
1 fold, Frennygabi raises to t400, 2 folds, -QQuartz- calls t400, 3 folds, classy22 calls t90 all in
Flop: (t1040) T
5 2 (3 players – 1 is all in)
Frennygabi bets t1040, -QQuartz- calls t1040
Turn: (t3120) 4 (3 players – 1 is all in)
Frennygabi bets t3120, -QQuartz- raises to t5755 all in, Frennygabi calls t2635
River: (t14630) A
(3 players – 2 are all in)
Final Pot: t14630
classy22 shows J Q (Ace Queen high)
Frennygabi shows K K (a pair of Kings)
-QQuartz- shows J J (a pair of Jacks)
Frennygabi wins t14010
Frennygabi wins t620
June 25, 2010
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As played pre this is kinda a cooler. Jacks are obviously stronger than tens, so it's a little harder to lay down to a cold four bet. That being said people don't cold four bet light unless they have a really good read on a player or have history. From what I can read it seems like your 3betting range isn't that wide, so your opponent in this hand would have no reason to get out of line. I think 3betting again is the correct play here, if he makes it the standard 2.5-3x your 3bet, you should lay it down even though that seems kinda nitty. Jacks are where I draw the line though, cause QQ I am getting in.
June 11, 2010
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Something that I think is very important to remember in the microstakes stuff is be willing to get away from hands and you need to do a little more work to try to define opponents early as they can be so varied. Early in these tourneys so many players are so fishy and will float multiple streets with naked Aces or go bonkers with all kinds of hands that you can get yourself all jammed up trying to get fancy with these hands. When I have strong PP's (88-QQ) I prefer to three bet and see what he does on a lot of the time. In the JJ case raising it up to 1200 and see what he does. If he 4bet shoves then I have a pretty clear indication I am probably behind/crushed or at the least flipping. If he just calls then there is a strong possibility that I am good and I can use scare cards to my advantage (especially K and A flops). I think you need to tred a little light even with KK in a lot of these cases when a A comes as tons of players are calling in these cases with Ax. I find with my personal style of play that early in micro's I am borderline nit with some of this stuff until i get to the mid stages when things become more standard (floating slows down, raises get more folds, etc).
As a side note on the JJ hand I don't think I am going to shove over his turn lead with three to the flush out there. A ton of players in the micro stakes early will play any two suited cards to the river to try to hit a flush and when one lands I get really wary, especially when he starts to slam pot sized bets as this is usually a pretty crap attempt on their part to get value from their hands. I am also highly concerned i am crushed here if he bets really clowny small as well as this is another jerk technique to try to get you to call them down as they are afraid if they bet decent amounts you will just fold so they want something from you.
July 3, 2010
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jshilling09 said:
I like to three bet pre if I am in position. If he cold 4bets we are almost always beat and can get away from it, if he calls, our hand has tons of equity, so 3-bet folding here pre doesn't turn our hand into a bluff imo. Of course against some people I will 3-bet get it in pre, but they would have to be pretty LAG or I would have to have some type of history with them.
I agree. I used to flat my entire range at this blind level to soul own people when I flat with AA/KK and they make a pair but now I 3 bet a decent range so I can take the lead on the hand and play pot control in position.
And also you can get away from situations like the OP posted where you flat 99 and call all streets on a low board only to see villain flip over QQ or a better pair.
June 11, 2010
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I am starting to find that the 3bet is a really powerful weapon in the aresenal to help define these potentially awkward situations. You will run into clowns that will call with trash to see a lucky flop, but that is not a significant percentage. A lot of players get nervous when you pull this and will typically only call with something strong.
his pot bets would scare me off….3betting isnt bad…but think about like this…this is what I do
If I called pre to keep the pot small – i want to play slow and cautious to win a small pot unless I have the nuts…I am not going to shove over a pot bet to play a small pot. If you want to play the pot small pre, proceed with caution to his pot bets. Also make sure you have a plan of attack based off what he does. Do not just play blindly, say to yourself if he fires again im out, if he checks ill check back b/c I do not want to be check raised on this draw heavy board (b/c he can rep any of those draws). Make sense?
Depending on the style of this player….3betting him wouldnt be a bad idea, he might call too wide OOP to your 3bet
Only read OP and the example hands, i would probably fold flop on the example hand you showed.. only because he bet huge and very rarely does that sizing with AK after he 4x'd preflop, so his range is like 1010+ IMO. definitely fold turn. a huge dynamic of that hand is the bb is all in so he's just betting off with a bluff or a worse ten this way? doubt it.
in general you just need to assign people ranges and act accordingly, if someone leads a 952cc flop after u flat, only raise if you think he will shove worse intending to call, otherwise flat and re evaluate on the turn. re evaluating can mean oh he bet again on this blank turn , would this type of player ever bluff here? would he value bet worse? ok he woulnt so i fold
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