Get it in pre???????? but we still lose on the river – surley it's a fold pre being results oprientated as all good players are? 🙂

Seriously this is something I am trying to get better at and it's taking into account the effective stacks.

If you were in the BB with 20 bigs would you have flatted yourself down to 17 or would you have shoved or 3bet with a view to call a shove? you have to play the hand as if you have 20 bigs.

When the hand is dealt I like to look around the table and decide who's stack i want to play for pre-flop given there stack pre and in this instance I would look at probably everyone but FU2DOJ/ahmagh1/douglat3 as an oppourtunity to get it in pre and play for their stack but would prob shove over the top of amhagh and douglat3 if folded round and either opended as it looks a good spot for them to be light.

As played I agree with KB and get it in on the flop and hope to be called by a non-belieivng AK/AQ or take down a nice pot.

Yep. Given it is heads up and it is 20bb's effective, I am either getting it in pre or check jamming this flop.

agree check shove flop 

with the villains stack and you holding 99, i three bet jam imo and be happy with it.  In most cases you will be flipping with broadway hands but i don't like the call pre because more times than not a card over a 9 hits and you are in a no win situation.  With the way played, you couldn't ask for a better flop and I c/r all in knowing the villain will cbet a large majority of the time.  If he has a bigger pair, it is a cooler from the beginning.  When you get min raised on turn you are never good….the min raise by a fish is the nuts.  I like a c/c on river to see if they bluff with worse.  They are never calling with worse (typically).  Best of luck at the tables.

kingten102 said:

 

The play I am making on this particular opponent is a 3 bet to around 3400 and go with it if he ships.

this raise size gives us two ways to win the pot.  preflop if he folds, and on the flop if he has a hand like AJ, A10,AQ, etc that might smooth call in position, but will miss a lot of flops, BUT would call a shove.  By making this play, they never get to see the turn or river as you have set up a pot size shove on the flop.(3400+3400+250= 7050  By making this raise, he will be left with a stack just under the size of the pot on the flop(10289-3400=6889) and we STILL have fold equity if he misses the flop, which he will a lot of the time.

If they crush the flop, oh well, we weren't folding preflop anyway.  If they miss, they have to fold and we pick up 34% of the effective stack.  without giving them the opportunity to suck out on the turn and river. 

 

The only thing that makes this REMOTELY close to a fold preflop is that villian put ina 3X raise and is in middle position.  Also factors to consider are has he 4 bet yet, and what do we think his 4 bet range is.  His 4bet range is prob irrelevant though, since if we 3 bet, we aren't folding.

 

Final opinion: 70% 3bet/call or raise and ship the flop if he call in pos.   30% fold, because he has show extreme strength by 3xing from mid pos with a 20 BB stack

 

just my opinion.

 

–HUNSUCKER

 

By making it t3400 here we give him odds to peel with a hand like QTs/QJs/JTs etc. Sure we are really shallow but we give him direct odds to peel with them vs our hand. We want to avoid this! We want to fold out some % of the hands that actually have good equity vs our exact hand and don't realise. We are going to see overcards on the flop a large % of the time and pretty much all overcards are going to look nasty to us in a 3b pot OOP when we have 99.

If we do get a 764r or 942 flop, why on earth do we want to get 25% or 0% equity to fold now? We could have gotten some 40-45% equity hands to fold pre by shoving.

Not trying to come across douchey. Just wanted to point out some flaws in your thoughts.