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September 3, 2018
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When playing online (or during TPE training videos) you get an accurate count of each opponent’s chip stack size. Thus, when you open with a bet you should be doing so with a plan for which smaller stacks you are committing to calling a shove and which bigger stacks you might be raise folding to a shove (obviously this is based upon your holdings, you would call a big stack shove if you have A-A but you would fold to a big stack shove with certain lesser holdings).
My question has to do with when you are playing a mtt live. Although you can tell a big stack from a small stack live, you don’t have the precise count live like you do online. So how do you go about making your plan live when you open since you can’t quickly tally everyone else’s chip stack? Can experienced players tally the rest of the table’s chip stack size immediately in a live mtt or does it become much more of an inexact science live versus online? Among other things, while the biggest chips are supposed to be placed out front live, can you really tell if all of the back rows of chips are smallest denominations or medium denominations?
It seems to me that while I am learning what to do in the training videos, I am artificially becoming dependent on being able to know exact chip counts whereas when I am live next summer at the WSOP for the first time I won’t have that precise information.
I am curious for insight from experienced live players of mtt tourneys.
August 6, 2012
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rppoker said
When playing online (or during TPE training videos) you get an accurate count of each opponent’s chip stack size. Thus, when you open with a bet you should be doing so with a plan for which smaller stacks you are committing to calling a shove and which bigger stacks you might be raise folding to a shove (obviously this is based upon your holdings, you would call a big stack shove if you have A-A but you would fold to a big stack shove with certain lesser holdings).My question has to do with when you are playing a mtt live. Although you can tell a big stack from a small stack live, you don’t have the precise count live like you do online. So how do you go about making your plan live when you open since you can’t quickly tally everyone else’s chip stack? Can experienced players tally the rest of the table’s chip stack size immediately in a live mtt or does it become much more of an inexact science live versus online? Among other things, while the biggest chips are supposed to be placed out front live, can you really tell if all of the back rows of chips are smallest denominations or medium denominations?
It seems to me that while I am learning what to do in the training videos, I am artificially becoming dependent on being able to know exact chip counts whereas when I am live next summer at the WSOP for the first time I won’t have that precise information.
I am curious for insight from experienced live players of mtt tourneys.
Start working on you looking at stacks and determine the amount. Watch live games maybe on live at the bike or runitup on twitch and practice. Think in stacks of 20 and work from there. You want to know stack sizes at the table including your own at all times. Just think in terms of chipping their mountains or their hills or their bumps of chippies .glgl
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September 3, 2018
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Yeah, but how do you tally the amount of chips in the rows of chips hidden behind the front stacks of chips? You can’t know what denomination chips the blocked rows are comprised of.
February 20, 2015
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Most of the tournaments you’ll be in won’t have a lot of physical chips on the table until you’re deep. I know that in the Main Event and in most final tables in general that are streamed that you see stacks and stacks of chips. At the level you’ll be playing in, by the time this becomes a problem you’ll be in the money anyway.
Of course it’s still an important facet of the game and one to think about, but it’s correlated to winning, so it won’t be important until it’s really important.
February 8, 2017
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rppoker said
Yeah, but how do you tally the amount of chips in the rows of chips hidden behind the front stacks of chips? You can’t know what denomination chips the blocked rows are comprised of.
Almost every casino has a rule that the higher denomination chips have to be visible at all times. Dealers often forget to enforce this, so never assume the chips are arranged correctly when making a big decision, but don’t be shy about mentioning it to someone if they don’t have their big chips up front. A slightly less common rule is that chips have to be stacked in a way that is easily countable (ie. the same # of chips in each stack, usually no more than 20). Again, this is often not enforced but I’m of the opinion that players should actively remind each other of the guidelines. If you’re not sure about the rules where you play, any floor staff should be happy to clarify (especially if you ask them before you start playing).
I often struggle for my first couple of live sessions after a stretch of only playing online, and having to actively monitor chip stacks is part of what makes adjusting difficult. If I remember to prioritize it (and am not shy about calling out sloppy chip stacks) it becomes nearly automatic after a while. If you’re ever not sure when making an important decision, you can always ask for a count. Just try not to be the guy that’s asking for a count preflop in every second hand… nobody likes that guy.
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