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Villian 3-bet me last hand and I folded pre. Villian just final tabled or won Sunday Million. No other read. Long way to go from money, I have double average chip. How should I play this hand???
Poker Stars $50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t300/t600 Blinds + t50 – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
A1K2Q3 (SB): BB = 54.1, t32469
PolyBaller22 (BB): BB = 29.8, t17867
Gay_On_Tse (UTG): BB = 50.6, t30385
cdela (UTG+1): BB = 20.3, t12156
BTjohnE (UTG+2): BB = 20.5, t12275
roachie (MP1): BB = 30.3, t18193
penfoldo (MP2): BB = 18.0, t10775
1profiler (CO): BB = 15.4, t9258
Peetoon (BTN): BB = 59.4, t35654
Pre Flop: (t1350) Gay_On_Tse is UTG with K
A
Gay_On_Tse raises to t1295, 5 folds, Peetoon calls t1295, 2 folds
Flop: (t3940) 3 T A
(2 players)
Gay_On_Tse bets t1675, Peetoon raises to t3950, Gay_On_Tse raises to t8995, Peetoon calls t5045
Turn: (t21930) 6
(2 players)
Gay_On_Tse bets t20045 all in, Peetoon calls t20045
River: (t62020) Q (2 players – 1 is all in)
Final Pot: t62020
Gay_On_Tse shows Kc Ah (a pair of Aces)
Peetoon shows Ad 3d (two pair, Aces and Threes)
Peetoon wins t62020
I would have made it slightly more pre, although I do realise alot of people are open min raisin or 2.1x theyre whole range. I just prefer like 2.3-2.5 at this stage. However I think he calls anyway.
Your flop bet is less than half pot aswell. I would have made it at least 2k. I like the cont bet cos you do it almost everytime and your hand looks very strong on that board.
Villain prob knows this and can 3 bet you as you are both deep enough and I wouldnt be thinking I am behind and worrying.
However alarm bells ring when he calls your 4 bet and the turn bricks and he jams in 33 bbs. You are showing a lot of strength and its gonna t I think you have to give him credit that this is an overshove with a set or 2 pair. I think it takes alot of balls for him to be jamming here with a flush draw or a weaker ace considering the action.
I puke fold when he jams just because it is so much. Unless you have a read that he will make large overbets with air, So many hands that he could have flatting a min raise from button that are beating you.
Hope that ramble made some sort of sense.
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July 20, 2010
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i know the player quite well and would have never folded it sucks for you that you ran into this super aggressive nut bar but this player is capable of any 2 at anytime in any position. i watched his final table replay of his sunday million win and he was 3,4,5 betiing everything and several players accused him of being involved in the sorel mizzi multi accounting scandel as well wheres the 10 or 6 on the riv to give you justice
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March 17, 2010
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I think if you put a bigger c-bet out there you could have gotten away from this much more easily. You're inviting a lot of calls or pressure from a guy who's in position when you c-bet that small. If you cbet about 2255 then the hand becomes easier to play as you can give more credit to a raise or a flat. As played it's just kinda like i dunno if he's tooling or strong.
July 3, 2010
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Eh I think it just sucks. Even if we put out a bigger c-bet we're not folding TPTK and back door club draw on the flop. A bigger c-bet just means we get closer to getting it in on the flop instead of the turn.
And we'd need to shove the Turn anyway with bigger flop action since we've now committed ourselves.
If we lead for 2500 and he raises to like 6000 we're not folding. And we're not going to flat a 3 bet by him and then check to him on the Turn. If he's drawing he gets a free card. if he was ahead on the flop he's still ahead on the Turn a lot and we aren't getting any information.
100 bb's deep we can find room to fold but at 50 bb's there just can't be enough action to let you know you're beat.
thanx for the input guys, it seems it is pretty hard to get away. I bet small because is heads up, semi dry board, and i see moorman did it
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question for Ronfez, how do I get away from it if I c-bet bigger? Bet/Call flop and Check/Fold turn? even if is a brick turn card?
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March 17, 2010
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For some reason I thought we were 100bbs deep here. Yeah at 50bb deep probably can't get away from this given the draws in his range.
i dont really like the flop 3bet, mainly because i dont think villain is going to get too out of line against it. you're putting in over a quarter of your stack as teh PFR from UTG on an A-high flop.
i like calling the flop raise and reevaluating turn.
also agree with whomever said to raise bigger PF. the table is pretty deep and we're UTG. i might even 3x (something else you'll see moorman do 😉
Can we not check\fold the turn? Sure we've put in a third of our stack, but so has he almost, so what's his range? Are we always stacking off with TPTK at this stage or is 30+ BB enough to keep us in the tourney and try to recover. Unless we are sure he has air, I think a safe range for the villain is 33, 10 10, AXc, A3, or A10 against which we are a 65-35 dog going to the turn.
Does anyone agree\disagree and why? Thanks.
my line is 1444 pre raise (which doesnt really matter).
i bet out the flop because of the board, when he raises i go to check call mode, especially if he jams the turn, if he's smart enough to make it deep in a mindfield. The only hand im worried about is AT, i think he's aggressive enough to 3 bet you pre w/ TT. most likely i either have to put him on a weaker ace, or a big draw like KJ clubs, or something like that.
im checking and on the blank turn im hoping he shoves it and im calling off.
i know people say “dont overplay TPTK” but when its AK on a board like that…. i feel is acceptable. I'm actually never putting A3 in his range here.
July 3, 2010
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A3 never crossed my mind, either. 33 did.
I agree TT probably 3 bets on the button here instead of flatting but this deep you can certainly justify a flat.
However, I think sets continue to grow the pot even though you risk making Hero fold. A club on the turn could kill the action.
QJ, JT, and KQ of clubs came to mind given the flop action. 50 bb's is a lot to get in on the flop with those hands but you can certainly play it the way he did in position and fold to a blank Turn leaving yourself plenty of chips still.
pretty elaborate analysis from all. im way off from this type of thinking, but, after villain flats flop 4bet, i definately shut down. to me it seems its the only way to trully know where we stand and know that ur beat. wt other hands create or can play to this kinda action. if we play it any other way i dont see how we can fold TP/TK, but the way it was played i can see ck folding turn or river. we're obv beat
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