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April 26, 2013
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Good day, grinders. This is a hand from a 5€ Rebuy tournament, about 500 runners, we were ITM with 18 left. Villain and I were somewhere among the top 7.
Table '1148562905 42' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Blackkyss (790784 in chips)
Seat 2: kelchatte (445864 in chips)
Seat 3: MRsabella (1052560 in chips)
Seat 4: tryuote (1,254,581 in chips) (UTG)
Seat 5: Hero (1,174,829 in chips) (UTG+1)
Seat 6: faz 66 du 79 (1053350 in chips)
Seat 7: DUN_VS_ME (622058 in chips)
Seat 8: fackedelic (1362828 in chips)
Seat 9: x6ladiatorx (390064 in chips)
Blackkyss: posts the ante 3000
kelchatte: posts the ante 3000
MRsabella: posts the ante 3000
tryuote: posts the ante 3000
Hero: posts the ante 3000
faz 66 du 79: posts the ante 3000
DUN_VS_ME: posts the ante 3000
fackedelic: posts the ante 3000
x6ladiatorx: posts the ante 3000
Blackkyss: posts small blind 15000
kelchatte: posts big blind 30000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [T
T
]
MRsabella: folds
tryuote: raises 30000 to 60000
RhaegonT510: calls 60000
faz 66 du 79: folds
DUN_VS_ME: folds
fackedelic: folds
x6ladiatorx: folds
Blackkyss: folds
kelchatte: folds
*** FLOP *** [4
5 8]
tryuote: checks
Hero: bets 105,000
tryuote: raises 1,086,581 to 1,191,581 and is all-in
Hero: ???
Villain was running 30/6 over 40 hands, he is a losing player over 500+ tournaments.
When calling I'd risk my whole tournament life.
What do you think villains range could be, when he checks this flop to us.
How does his range change when he shoves over our relatively big bet OTF?
Also, would you just check behind or make a differen sizing on this flop?
I was kind of lost when I saw him check-shove here.
Ideas, suggestions welcome.
February 2, 2015
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Pre-flop raise shows a bit of strength from coming from EP, but he could just be trying to bully the table so I don’t read too much into it. I still put him on a widish range including suited connectors or better, just leaning a bit more towards the top end. I would probably 3-bet here to try and isolate given the number of players behind, folding to a 4-bet
check shove on flop once again shows strength, but at the same time he’s probably not putting you on many hands that include the cards on the board so he likely puts you on a overcards, flushdraw, or pocket pair when you bet. I like the bet because I think you won’t get as much value from flush draws, straight draws, broadway cards, A4 or A5 if you wait until later streets to bet. I’m looking to bet flop, bet turn, then check behind on river if he’s still check/calling and we haven’t improved.
As for his range after the shove, I think 99+ and nut flushdraws make sense, but he very well could have air and just think this is a great bluffing spot with so many draws to consider and the relative weakness of the range he put you on.
I’m folding and waiting for a better spot, mainly because it’s a preflop raiser from EP that check shoved at the first sign of aggression and our tourney life is on the line
November 4, 2013
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I kiss my chips good bye and /sigh call. I think this board is way too wet to fold, he's just going to have too many draws in his range that he's shoving here, because bad players are bad.
The question I ask myself in this spot, is how often does villain go for a checkshove with AA or KK here. It's not going to turn out to be too often, because that hits your flatting range way more than it hits his opening range. He's going to want to bet this flop with AA and KK more often than not, to get value from any draws you have. It makes a lot more sense for him to be check shoving his draws and his air by goading you into betting the flop for him.
He does show up with AA/KK/QQ here. He also shows up with AK/AQ/KQ/XXcc/A8cc/A8c/66/77/99.
Weird line. I'm not a big fan of getting it in here honestly. I'm just not a big fan of folding either, seems too weak. I'm probably losing more in these spots than I should be, and someone is going to come in here and explain why it's a clear fold.
January 20, 2014
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I would have 3bet pre flop to like 133,333. This will get out the KQ and AJ hands behind you, and give you position on UTG when he calls. If some of the bigger stacks 4bet shove you can get away from it, and if he 4bet shoves you can get away from it. As played, I would have closed my eyes and called.
April 26, 2013
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DTUSC, OneTime1Time, SIGABA thanks for the input!
I agree mostly with all your ideas, and I get the impression that this is actually a very close spot to call or fold.
I ran the numbers, giving villain a range for his check-shove with all
AX, KT+, QT+, JT, any pocket pair, except for 22, 33, including sets, where he only does it with 66 and 77 if he has the 66. I also included AJ+ with one flushcard. This represents 6,9% of handcombinations and gives our TT hand a 42.7% : 57.2% equity. Considering what's already in the pot you can make a call here, but should possibly fold, because of the fact that chipEV < $EV in tournaments, especially in a spot where we still have a good stack if we fold.
Although I am not sure if I range him correctly here, maybe he makes this play only with a much stronger range!
If I exclude some borderline hands, leaving him with
AT+, KJ+, QJ, any pocket pair TT+, including sets 444, 555, 888, and AK with a (representing 4.6% of hand combinations) our equity drastically drops to 23.1% vs. 76.9%! A clear snap-fold!
Btw, he showed up with
a set of fives (btw I called) and I was out in 18th.
This made me wonder if I ranged him quite wrong here.
I was quite suprised, because he hadn't raised much preflop, so I almost excluded any pocketpair lower than 88 from his UTG opening range.
SIGABA, I am not sure if I agree with your re-raise pre. Obv we know better where we stand in the hand if we get 4-bet as we would need to fold against our tight villain. But then again we miss action against exactly these KQ, AJ hands that might call behind when we manage to make our set on a nice board. And if we end up HU vs villain we usually shouldn't have too much of a hard time to reevaluate on the flop how we play this hand (obv it wasn't the case here).
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