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June 3, 2012
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The post flop play is pretty standard. But i want to know what peoples thoughts are for pre flop. Il start off by saying i hate the way i played it and after talking through it with people over skype we established its either a 4bet get it in, or a fold. The villain is playing a 16/12 over 30ish
July 11, 2012
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yep 4b or fold.
4bet > folding imo,, it's thin and w/o antes but with this stack i think it's okay
July 20, 2012
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StrangeFame said:
yep 4b or fold.
4bet > folding imo,, it's thin and w/o antes but with this stack i think it's okay
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August 13, 2012
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i think u shouldnt flat in this pozition ever,,4b/fold ofourse and i think it should be fold in this spot all the time,if u 4b him ur takin a flip(thats if u want to be positive:) and in the most cases ur dominated..i dont think his 3b'ing with 25 bb stack light never after u open utg
June 2, 2012
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I actually think it's a pretty easy fold. The fact that we were a coin flip was best-case scenario as I think 99-1010 is bottom of his 3b range here. A majority of the time we are going to be dominated here. Unless villain is aggro or spewy I'm folding here. Like simbadlion said I seriously doubt we are getting 3b light here with a 25BB stack after we open UTG pre ante. He's never doing this worth Ax so I feel like we are just praying he has 99-JJ and are flipping. Yeah we have a big stack and can “afford it” but chips saved are just as good as chips gained. Fold.
August 13, 2012
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I am going to look at this a different way. You are getting 2.8 to 1 odds to call pre. Yes, he is inducing a call with his little bitch raise so it looks he is disguising a monsterous hands. So I am sure you called with your stack knowing that you need to hit.
Well you got one of the best flop for you to either lose chips or get a extra 3800 chips if you knock this player out. I think it is a tough decision because you have so many chips. If you 4 bet pre, to 1900, you are already chip committed to his stack and get it in reguardless whatever the flop is.
If the board was dryer you would have saved money. I think you were just coolered and it was just “one of those hands”
May 31, 2012
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4bet/fold with 25bbs eff is terrible.
I think it's save to say no sane villain is 3bet/folding with that stack pre ante. You are opening UTG so I think its also safe to say the villiain is rarely going to show up with AJ. 99+, AK+ is therefore the most likely scenario.
If you fourbet to 1.400 and villain shoves, you are almost getting 3 to 1 and can't fold, knowing that 99, TT and JJ is in his range and you have blockers to AA and QQ.
Fold is way the best option because his range dominates you and you have only invested 2bbs.
August 13, 2012
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I guess this is what gets me in trouble. If I was in his shoes I would have lost also. How can I make myself fold getting the odds? When is it right for me not to look at pot odds but range the player and just fold?
This is a part of the game I guess I am weak at.
May 30, 2012
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why did u min raise utg at 75-150?…..i find lots of people do this cuz they saw someone good do it once but really have no idea why they are actually doing it, so can you please elaborate on your thought process here…
June 5, 2012
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shawnivey said:
why did u min raise utg at 75-150?…..i find lots of people do this cuz they saw someone good do it once but really have no idea why they are actually doing it, so can you please elaborate on your thought process here…
Check out Mike Leah's most recent series…he puts together a bunch of good reasons why he always minraises when he opens.
Personally, I go bigger when deeper, because I want the option of playing for stacks. But in general, I think anything bigger than a min-raise is overkill at under 40BBs effective. There's only two guys at the table w/big stacks, so the minraise is really fine.
And after villain 3B's I'm probably just folding w/o further info and/or a dynamic in place. Given his stack size, and that it's pre-ante, we're just never in good shape here.
May 30, 2012
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iwas asking op why, as he is the one trying to fix his hand, mike is good at playing 3 bet pots and flops, apparently op is not… min opening sets u up to get 3 bet lots and in tricky spots if your unfimiliar, i think any avg player should open at least 2.5x…also also you to win more money on hands you proceed with
<—–i guppie tho thats just my guess..min raising utg is really weak imo and sets you up to get owned hard preflop and postflop, as people now cAN 3 bet flops with air for cheaper
May 30, 2012
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shawnivey said:
<—–i guppie tho thats just my guess..min raising utg is really weak imo and sets you up to get owned hard preflop and postflop, as people now cAN 3 bet flops with air for cheaper
meh guess im actually a flounder, there fore my points are valid
June 3, 2012
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shawnivey said:
why did u min raise utg at 75-150?…..i find lots of people do this cuz they saw someone good do it once but really have no idea why they are actually doing it, so can you please elaborate on your thought process here…
Firstly thanks for all the replys and thoughts on how i should have played the hand.
My raise sizes are usually 3x till 75/150, then i start min raising. I like to min raise as i feel it more often then not gets the same result. If someone calls with suited connectors etc they c/f to the flop alot or fold to my cbet. It also makes it easier to get away from a hand in my opinon. i think i felt like “i could afford to flip” here which is such a crap thought process and its probably a fold here. You could be right though that min raising UTG is weak, but i just like to keep my sizing consistent from any postion expect BVB. This could be wrong however, do you change your sizing depending on position on table? etc size for AQ UTG and size for AQ MP and size for AQ on Button?
Thanks
May 30, 2012
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ipersonally open larger from EP than late…like the first 4 spots, i just realy feel you dont want people coming in behind you, and if your really deep min raising its correct (and prob profitable) for them to flat like 65% of their range
fwiw a lot of people do same as u i jus dont
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