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Full Tilt Poker Super Stack $15K Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t80/t160 Blinds – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
MP1: t3936 24.60 BBs
MP2: t3410 21.31 BBs
CO: t18954 118.46 BBs
DonkDeezNutz (BTN): t7601 47.51 BBs
SB: t12336 77.10 BBs
BB: t3910 24.44 BBs
UTG: t9807 61.29 BBs
UTG+1: t10190 63.69 BBs
UTG+2: t11648 72.80 BBs
Pre Flop: (t240) DonkDeezNutz is BTN with Q
K
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t640, 4 folds, DonkDeezNutz calls t640, 2 folds
Flop: (t1520) 2 9
6
(2 players)
UTG+1 bets t960, DonkDeezNutz calls t960
Turn: (t3440) Q (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t3200, DonkDeezNutz calls t3200
River: (t9840) 3 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t4920, DonkDeezNutz calls t2801 all in
Final Pot: t15442
DonkDeezNutz mucks Q K
UTG+1 shows A A (a pair of Aces)
UTG+1 wins t15442
I can't really give advice because you need to fold pre to a 4x in what will more than likely be a heads up pot. It's an extremely marginal spot at best and I'd rather wait for spots to exploit instead of spots to guess.
Folding pre to the 4 times BB open. This type of raise screams to me either a premium or sometimes small to mid pairs. Also being new to the table you have no reads. Does villian normally open this big or usually 3x? Since we dont know and still rather early in the tourney I dont make this play.
Wein said:
I can't really give advice because you need to fold pre to a 4x in what will more than likely be a heads up pot. It's an extremely marginal spot at best and I'd rather wait for spots to exploit instead of spots to guess.
Thats advice in itself. 🙂 thanks.
I agree that you should fold pre flop, but on the other side I don't hate your play… This 15k super stack is very soft tourney with lots of bad players, and KQ will be good there descent percentage of time, but I would need a read and confirmation of that read in order to go broke with KQ there… Without read on player I would fold pre flop….
agree that this tourny is indeed soft, but 4x raise pre this early even in pos is a fold. this type of raise from weaker players scream AA, KK or some small pr. after he continues to barrel I'm leaning more toward the higher pairs. we would have to have a few callers in the pot by the time it get to us to justify a flat in this pos.
bjizz
bjizzle44 said:
agree that this tourny is indeed soft, but 4x raise pre this early even in pos is a fold. this type of raise from weaker players scream AA, KK or some small pr. after he continues to barrel I'm leaning more toward the higher pairs. we would have to have a few callers in the pot by the time it get to us to justify a flat in this pos.
bjizz
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Pre: Fold. His range should be snug here – something like 99-JJ, AK, AQ. A 4X UTG *usually* contains one of these.
Flop: Fold. Floating here is not a good option. The 60% pot c-bet may have seemed big to you but in realty it's a good size to start building the pot to get an all-in situation since you guys started the hand deep.
Turn: Survey Says! Fold. Once you hit your pair and he bets the pot you really need to time bank here and ask yourself what he'd do that with. He bets 60% pot on a non-descript board and then bets close to pot when a broadway card comes that also brings some draws into the mix.
If he had TT, JJ, or AK I don't see him taking this action. So of the kind of tight range we assigned to him we're looking at hands like 99, AQ, and possibly KK and AA which I didn't mention earlier.
Realistically these are the only two situations where anything positive happens for you:
1. He has KQ and you chop.
2. He is bluffing with AK and you win.
#2 is so rare that I'd assign that about a 5% chance of being the case here.
So, pre-flop folding aside I think this hand serves as a great example of how to evaluate turn cards and bet sizes and put your hand into very clear perspective.
JDOG1645 said:
bjizzle44 said:
agree that this tourny is indeed soft, but 4x raise pre this early even in pos is a fold. this type of raise from weaker players scream AA, KK or some small pr. after he continues to barrel I'm leaning more toward the higher pairs. we would have to have a few callers in the pot by the time it get to us to justify a flat in this pos.
bjizz
+1
wow!! JD actually agreed with me. i guess umgettnbetta(screen name on AP)
bjizz
Ya you just gotta fold pre here…..Wein put it best with his advice
Wein said:
I can't really give advice because you need to fold pre to a 4x in what will more than likely be a heads up pot. It's an extremely marginal spot at best and I'd rather wait for spots to exploit instead of spots to guess.
^^^
I would add its UTG…and don't see why you would float on the flop…If you think the flop bet is fishy and he has complete poop, raise him. If not get out. KQ looks flashy but if you look closely its an easy way to get herpes.
bjizzle44 said:
JDOG1645 said:
bjizzle44 said:
agree that this tourny is indeed soft, but 4x raise pre this early even in pos is a fold. this type of raise from weaker players scream AA, KK or some small pr. after he continues to barrel I'm leaning more toward the higher pairs. we would have to have a few callers in the pot by the time it get to us to justify a flat in this pos.
bjizz
+1
wow!! JD actually agreed with me. i guess umgettnbetta(screen name on AP)
bjizz
Just much simpler to “+1” then keep saying the same thing over..imo 
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