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June 3, 2012
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So just wanted to pose this question, I guess it really depends on how much the min cash means to someone. I can't find the hand history of this hand. But I was on the bubble, had 16 bb, there was a guy who had less then 1 bb. UTG raised it 3x the bb, he had 30 bb's, I had 16 bb in middle position. He wasn't running that aggressively.
So obviously the standard play is to just 3bet shove jacks all day long with 16 bigs, so just wondering if that is what most people still would do considering that one guy with less then 1 bb was all but out? Just curious on other people's play in that situation.
Like you said, it depends on what the min cash means to you but unless you can put villain on an extemely narrow range you need to be shoving here. You're not going to make money min cashing tournaments. Personally I am always shoving here. If you were at the FT and big money jumps were involed it would be a tougher decision.
November 30, 2012
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Yeah, unless you somehow satelited into the Big One for One drop and that's the bubble we're talking about this is a shove.
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November 29, 2012
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I entirely agree with thedonator716
That happened to me last night, not jacks but kings,
5.1 hyper, final table bubble, I am 5/10 with 14 bb (very good value for hyper) sitting BB with KK's….CO, who is chip leader, shoved….What would you do….
this is really tough decision….
(finally called, he had A9o and busted 
….. But with jacks never called…..)
October 21, 2012
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I dont mind a fold. If he has less than 1 bb, your ICM tax is through the roof and JJ is not a lock to win vs a full 3x from UTG. It is however, doing very good against his range if he is just owning the bubble. Im guessing you would be 60-70% to win? Which is why a shove is standard.
On the flip side, that means you're 30-40% to lose a virtually guaranteed cash barring some miracle for the shorty.
I have no problem with being aggressive here for a decent chance to win.
I have no problem with being passive here for an excellent chance to cash and a marginal chance to win later.
I personally could not blame any one for going either way.
July 7, 2012
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no right or wrong answer here, think you have to go with your gut feel at the time. As you still have FE I probably shove here 90+% of the time, only folding really if opener is a super NIT eg 6/5 type stats (decent sample). My thought process is 2 fold 1) how would I play this hand and stack 20 places before min cash and 20 places post min cash, so why should I play it differently now? 2) I tend to err on the side of aggression in 50/50 spots as I am playing for the win.
That said, without FE say under 13bbs then I probably fold an take the min cash, then go from there.
November 30, 2012
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I think we have to take this spot, only exception is if entery fee is extreeme above your average buy-in (type 20x your average buy in, lets say your average buy-in is 10dollars and you satalited into the sunday million).
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May 30, 2012
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I dont understand skipping a spot like this, we dont bust that often, most of the time he folds, and even when called we are doing fine, also folding ITM with 17bb is far from ideal as we arent giving ourselves much of a stack to work with post bubble
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