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Nice or bad push?
Elbeto87
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February 3, 2013 - 8:02 pm
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15 players remaining in a $27 KO tournament with a field size of 180 players.
 
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February 4, 2013 - 3:36 pm
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14bb about to hit the blinds again, completely standard to shove there. Unlucky you ran into better.

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Is there not an argument for a fold and then jamming any 2 from sb/btn/co after having gone through the blinds? Reason I say this is that fundamentally while AJs is a big hand with this chipstack, if you get called you are rarely (ever?) in good shape? Is AT/A9 ever calling? Therefore the best you can hope for is a flip when called. So if when we are called we are ALWAYS hating life, this actually is becoming a blind steal OOP with 6 ppl to get through. Therefore are we not better off doing that any 2 from either sb/btn/co?

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February 5, 2013 - 8:32 am
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With 14 bigs we can certainly be called by worse like AT/KQ and be flipping against small pairs. If we had closer to 20 bigs, I would totally agree with you about never getting called by worse. 14 is kind of close, but I think its just small enough where people will call with some hands we do well against.

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February 5, 2013 - 8:43 am
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Yeah, most solid players are not going to call us with worse aces, but thats not a problem, because someone having a better hand and calling with it is going to happen far less frequently then it needs to to make this an + ev move in the long run just picking up blinds and antes, + when we get called by better hands we are still gonna suck out a couple of times. Anyway, this is a standard +EV shove. 

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February 5, 2013 - 8:48 am
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I agree it's standard shove and make this move myself automatically. I was just wondering if there was a case otherwise and just questioning my own thought patterns to try to expand my abilities.

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I actually posted something about this on bigdog's latest video as there were a few interesting spots that come up where he open shoves 18-19bb w/AJ in EP and shoving 18-19ish with ATo in HJ I think. This is a good point that should be discussed.

 

At what threshold stack-wise does shoving strongish/marginal hands like 66-88, AT/AJ/KQ become unprofitable because we are risking too much and only getting called by a range that crushes us? While I think AJs at 14bb is profitable to shove, is it still profitable at 17bb?  18? 19? How +ev is this shove really? Definitely some good food for thought as far as MTT theory/math goes.

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February 5, 2013 - 12:45 pm
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Julius187 said:

At what threshold stack-wise does shoving strongish/marginal hands like 66-88, AT/AJ/KQ become unprofitable because we are risking too much and only getting called by a range that crushes us? While I think AJs at 14bb is profitable to shove, is it still profitable at 17bb?  18? 19? How +ev is this shove really? Definitely some good food for thought as far as MTT theory/math goes.

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its very very marginal but a push is still profitable. We actually should be folding A10 to i believe about 11BB. I need to pull out my push fold chart

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