Is there not an argument for a fold and then jamming any 2 from sb/btn/co after having gone through the blinds? Reason I say this is that fundamentally while AJs is a big hand with this chipstack, if you get called you are rarely (ever?) in good shape? Is AT/A9 ever calling? Therefore the best you can hope for is a flip when called. So if when we are called we are ALWAYS hating life, this actually is becoming a blind steal OOP with 6 ppl to get through. Therefore are we not better off doing that any 2 from either sb/btn/co?
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June 3, 2012
With 14 bigs we can certainly be called by worse like AT/KQ and be flipping against small pairs. If we had closer to 20 bigs, I would totally agree with you about never getting called by worse. 14 is kind of close, but I think its just small enough where people will call with some hands we do well against.
Yeah, most solid players are not going to call us with worse aces, but thats not a problem, because someone having a better hand and calling with it is going to happen far less frequently then it needs to to make this an + ev move in the long run just picking up blinds and antes, + when we get called by better hands we are still gonna suck out a couple of times. Anyway, this is a standard +EV shove.
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June 3, 2012
I actually posted something about this on bigdog's latest video as there were a few interesting spots that come up where he open shoves 18-19bb w/AJ in EP and shoving 18-19ish with ATo in HJ I think. This is a good point that should be discussed.
At what threshold stack-wise does shoving strongish/marginal hands like 66-88, AT/AJ/KQ become unprofitable because we are risking too much and only getting called by a range that crushes us? While I think AJs at 14bb is profitable to shove, is it still profitable at 17bb? 18? 19? How +ev is this shove really? Definitely some good food for thought as far as MTT theory/math goes.
Julius187 said:
At what threshold stack-wise does shoving strongish/marginal hands like 66-88, AT/AJ/KQ become unprofitable because we are risking too much and only getting called by a range that crushes us? While I think AJs at 14bb is profitable to shove, is it still profitable at 17bb? 18? 19? How +ev is this shove really? Definitely some good food for thought as far as MTT theory/math goes.
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