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New member and first time post here:) I am trying to learn how to play MMTs coming from a cash game. Please look at the hand below and tell me your thoughts on my shove. My read on the limper/Villain who had me 2 to 1 on chips was that in LP he liked to open limp weak hands. I have been open shoving most hands that I have played as of late due to my stack to blind size. I got called once by AK vs my QQ so I havent shown trash. Sorry if I should have put this in some hand converter. This is a 180 KO SnG on FT.
Full Tilt Poker Game #21049734842: $6 + $0.50 KO Sit & Go (162140573), Table 9 – 300/600 Ante 75 – No Limit Hold’em – 23:23:51 ET – 2010/05/22
Seat 2: WylieLynch (14,685)
Seat 3: Riderich_Slawa (10,945)
Seat 4: fishymandave (7,095)
Seat 5: SoOoOoGross (7,565)
Seat 6: DopeSmokinKilla (5,585)
Seat 7: mstrs001 (3,348)
Seat 8: homecookinkb (8,180)
Seat 9: the revolver35 (24,400)
WylieLynch antes 75
Riderich_Slawa antes 75
fishymandave antes 75
SoOoOoGross antes 75
DopeSmokinKilla antes 75
mstrs001 antes 75
homecookinkb antes 75
the revolver35 antes 75
SoOoOoGross posts the small blind of 300
DopeSmokinKilla posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SoOoOoGross [Jd Td]
mstrs001 folds
homecookinkb folds
the revolver35 folds
WylieLynch calls 600
Riderich_Slawa folds
fishymandave folds
SoOoOoGross raises to 7,490, and is all in
TPE Management
March 17, 2010
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Looks good to me, even better with the read.
i dont mind the play 1 bit im actually rejamming on this guy much wider honestly anything playable if hes opening light ect with reads , and me i personally i like the hh posted as it is im not a huge fan of the converter , and welcome to tpe by the way im a fellow resident donk dbt nice to meet ya !!
Thanks for the info………I have to get use to shoving wider than I do and picking up more chips when I can so I dont become so short stacked. As played he called with A7o and made a straight….gg. I went out somewhere between 20th-30th, not a bad start for domeone who hasnt played many tournaments.
TPE Management
March 17, 2010
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So i’d like us to look at this hand and do a more rigorous analysis than simply posting what I feel is the right play. Let’s apply some math. Doing this is really important as you transition to MTTs for success because the math at these stack levels can be calculated relatively easily and provides solid guidance on strategy.
Hagbard covers a lot of this in his shallow stack video so let’s get some practice.
Let’s start by determining ranges. Jdog, what do you think his limping range is and what do you think his range for calling a shove are?
His limp range I think is wide. If I would poker stove it I would say about 46%. I think he would limp any weak Ax, K5+ through K9o, maybe some trash unsuited queens, any small PP say 22-44, some one gap unsuited stuff like 97o.
His range for calling the shove I would expect since it would be for half of his chips 55+, ATo +, and KJs+, KQo+.
TPE Management
March 17, 2010
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ok so then if his pf limp range is 46%, and his calling range according to your estimate is 11% which means you get called ~24% of hte time.
76% of the time you take the pot down (1500) without contest
24% of the time you are called and you have ~37% equity. The EV of this specific scenario is ~ -386.
(.76*1500) + (.24*-386) = 754
Looks like a call to me.
Thanks Ron for the breakdown…I need to watch Hagbard’s vid, but Im currently 4th in a 90 man SnG trying to do some damage
TPE Management
March 17, 2010
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glgl…trust me you do a ton of these and your instinct will become much better. two summers ago, i created a spreadsheet where i could plug these numbers in quickly and for several months I would do these calcs on the fly. It really helped me understand what to do much better.
Yes I need to understand the math aspect better no doubt. Im 10th out of 14 left in the 90man…only 9 get paid. I want to make a final table for once.
went out 9th short stacked shoved QJs utg and got called by 22 and k5…well I did see the final table 🙂
congrats with the final table. Anyone with dog in their name is ok with me. Gl brotha
Thanks …. I was one of those guys in your video. One of the smaller stacks just trying to make it in the money. I had two other stacks that were going to be forced to do something before me and I didnt want to bubble. It really hurt my chances of taking it down without hitting some monster hands fast. I just need to get myself in a position near the bubble to be one of the players abusing the smaller stacks rather than being the abused.
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