god i must be the biggest nit on this site, i just dont get why we are 3 bettign KQ here pre…sure it is ahead of his range but we are folding out most the hands we dominate with a raise (K9, KT, Q9, QT, QJ), and we are also inflating a pot we then have to play OOP vs a fishy oppenent who we arnt going to ever want to fold against.

As played i personally think your bet sizing is fine, i may bet slightly bigger on turn, like 1025 or 1005 jus because the number looks so much bigger than 825 but you are still betting under half pot

ok i dont know how to read it is 2 limper….this raise just got WORSE imo

utg is never limp folding to this tiny bet, wed have to blast and really blow the pot up and hes still prob not folding. (as proven by 85)

just because we have good hands doesnt mean we have to be raising every single time because you saw it on a video, think about the situation before you just go and assume you have to raise, i just check here and pot control oop….playing big pots oop with hands like KQ is how you are going to lose all your chips

i hate making a bigger turn bet as we can never bet fold this way, and we are commiting ourself to a meh 2 pair type hand in this spot regardless of river

duggs said:

raising for value is fine, vbetting flop if fine, ( no idea how you think raising for value against this opponent is bad since he never folds)

 

this is why we arnt 3 betting pre, if he has a 0 fold to 3 bet % we are going to be playing blown up pots OOP without narrowing his range down at all, when you raise you want it to accomplish something, raising here accomplishes nothing but making a bigger pot

bennymacca said:

shawn, do you agree that unless the player is tricky (unlikely) that he has a capped range UTG? I very much doubt this is AQ ever, it might be KK or AA sometimes but unlikely as fish will limp re-raise these but not limp-call. it is also unlikely to be TT-QQ either, i think vilain's range is very much weighted to mid pocket pairs, broadways we dominate and connectors.

 

you are also a little inconsistent with your reasoning – in your first post you say we will fold out everything we beat and then you say we will be bloating the pot. imo bloating the pot is completely fine here because i dont see us ever being behind, and fishes certainly flat our raise with QT here and stack off on a Q flop. that is reasoning enough.

 

you say raising accomplishes nothing but playing a bigger pot – thats GREAT! we are playing against a fishy villain that has basically no dominating hands in his range, even though we are OOP i still think it is insanely profitable to raise for value here. KT and K9 are definitely a part of villain's range still but there certainly other hands we crush too.

yes i agree his range is pretty capped, and i am not inconsistant i give more than 1….while i agree playing bigger pots vs fish is awesome i think it is pretty bad to try and play a big pot oop when you have KQ… you say he will stack off Q high flops, r we stackin on a QT8 flop vs said villian? what kinda Q high flops do YOU really like stacking here vs an utg limp/call preflop?

Thanks all,

Thought I'd played it ok but wasn't certain.  Obviously I'm never checking KQs pre here vs this fish and my raise was for value (and to fold out the other limper to iso.)  Sounds like it was a correct call and cheers for the advice 😛

Valid points Okie however as stated, this fish doesn’t understand the game & clearly has no clue about odds, hand ranges or anything else poker related (from prev history etc.) I’m raising for value/iso here and aren’t playing this hand as I would vs any thinking player. Context is the key here vs this player. I’m happy with bennymaccas summary as it pretty much sums it up:)