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March 3, 2013
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I'm in the cutofff seat, 7 players left, top 4 get paid in a 39 person $200+30 buy in for 20,000 chips, 4th gets $954, total prize pool is $7,700.
Blinds are $3000-6,000 and antes are $1,000. Folded around to me in CO holding K9 of spades and I bet $16,000 of my $80,000 stack, average is now $111,000 and I'm 5th out of the 7 left in stack size.
BTN's stack is $120,000 and he calls , SB, BB both fold, pot is $57,000, flop is 4h 4s 2s, hero checks, villan bets $32,000, hero shoves his flush and one weak overcard. BTN, the villan that he is, instacalls, and turns over 9c9d.
Poker Stove tells me when I shove I'm 43%.
Should I even have to tried to steal the blinds in this situation with K9s? Second, should I have checked the flop? Third, should I shove when villan bets out the $32,000 or fold? I wasn't calling.
January 15, 2013
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When I'm less than 15 bbs in this spot, i am either shoving or folding to avoid exactly what happened to you in this hand. This had (not one of my favorites to shove) is right on the cusp in the cutoff. Have shoves been getting through on these blinds? Or have they been calling shoves light? And have YOU been shoving a lot? If you have not shoved in awhile, people might give you credit for a hand.
Obv I am taking the result I know out of it, if I know its 9-9 I obv fold.
March 21, 2013
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What'd your game plan be here Dondav? how would you respond to a shove from one of the other players, what flops would you like to continue on, where'd you just x/f etc?
basically if you question your play when shoving it in on the flop with flusdhraw on 442 you should play push/fold preflop and figure out the math using SNGwiz for example.
as played no way to get away from the hand this shallow.
As for shoving pre I need more info about stack depth of all villians left to act and their expected tendency for calling i.e. if they're calling light or playing scared money…
May 31, 2012
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I would have shoved pre. Its chip-ev+ and you have to few big blinds to wait around to get to the money.
If i would have just raised preflop, then i would have shoved when villain bets out.
i dont necessarily think you have too few blinds to make it to the money but i think in this instance you lean toward playing for the win. id likely shove pre
May 30, 2012
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In this type of small tourney, I'm shoving your hand all day. Don't open with K9ss, just jam it in and steal all the chips. But with 99 behind you, he's calling all day. Just unlucky.
On to the next one………………
March 18, 2013
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Yeah, this is right in the middle of shoving and folding preflop but I like folding unless you've got a read that the blinds are real tight. I'd be watching them closely before I even saw my cards (assuming this is live). Did you have any read on them? Online I'd prefer a fold here with 13 bbs. With 11 bbs, I shove. With 12, I time out. That's how close I think it is. As played, I have no idea. If I had a read that the people behind me never pushed back at all, I might even try the min raise and then definitely open shove on this flop to reduce variance. Plenty of chips out there already. In this case, you lose but even if you knew he had this exact hand, it's close, as you said, 43%. So all I'm worried about is the AsXs hand. As played though, you have absolutely no fold equity and probably have to make a mathematical, crying shove. Pretty clear he's strong here.
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May 31, 2012
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Clarke206 said:
Yeah, this is right in the middle of shoving and folding preflop but I like folding unless you've got a read that the blinds are real tight. I'd be watching them closely before I even saw my cards (assuming this is live). Did you have any read on them? Online I'd prefer a fold here with 13 bbs. With 11 bbs, I shove. With 12, I time out. That's how close I think it is. As played, I have no idea. If I had a read that the people behind me never pushed back at all, I might even try the min raise and then definitely open shove on this flop to reduce variance. Plenty of chips out there already. In this case, you lose but even if you knew he had this exact hand, it's close, as you said, 43%. So all I'm worried about is the AsXs hand. As played though, you have absolutely no fold equity and probably have to make a mathematical, crying shove. Pretty clear he's strong here.
Clarke
You are folding with 13BBs and shoving with 11BB. Is that because of math/experience/feel?
I also think its close. But i think shoving pre is the best move.
September 20, 2012
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Check your hand on Holdem Resources. If you scroll to CO in the “PU” row it'll say: 33%, 22+ Ax+ K5s+ KTo+ Q7s+ QTo+ J7s+ JTo T7s+ 97s+ 87s 76s
Easy shove.
If you were to shove and villain call , that play would also be fine… according to Mr Nash.
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