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Mtt stages, tight/cautious players that all of the sudden go aggro
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December 27, 2014 - 5:09 pm
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Hi, just found this site and i think it is very good. So im gonna decide to stick here, at least for a while. And im only playing poker during autumn and winter.
It are these players that get the best out of me. All of the sudden they start 3 betting many times. And my experience is these players call down every time when i go allin. Im a guy that wants to make that ft, and hoping some players drop quick, make some moves and end up three handed and go from there to get to first place. However these players dont let me make moves. I like to chose my spots, steal pots and stay in control. These players wont let me do that. I say this, i am afraid to lose. I HATE losing. Thats just in my nature, cant change that. I can act as if im not afraid, but i am. Not in the real sense of afraid, but just that i want to climb up in the payjumps.
Yes i know everyone says play to win. I can tell you this, every time i did this i ended up losing my whole stack. And i mean every single time. Because it just doesnt suit me to push the table. And i think the players also kinda feel/realize this. And start floating and stuff.
These threebetwars are also not my thing. And whenever i threebet with a decent hand i get 4 bet. OR they call and im toast most of the times. Yes ocassionally i get paid when i have aa or kk or another big pp. But even those not allways win ofcourse. And so when i dont have those hands im kinda lost. I now apply supertight strategy against this. For example i folded aq yesterday with last 11 or so. While he has been 3 betting me allready a couple times. Because i knew it was going in when 4bet.

BUT, the main issue is my sense of losing control. I cant really handle it when a cautious player all of the sudden starts 3 betting wars. I mean, how can someone so shift gears in his play? I know i cant do that. I cant all of the sudden abondon my previous play and shift into a more aggressive style because mainly it doesnt suit me personally. AND if i do it i feel insecure. I dont like 3 betting with kq, get called cbet with air, get called, and knowing that another barrel gets called again. Losing more then half my stack. ???????
Again, most of the times it seems that all i can really go with is big pp’s. And then i feel like im being a wimp for doing so. I can still win pots against the lesser players, i can bluff m, take the pots down, but not those that all of the sudden go agro. And they very seem to be knowing what they are doing as well.

I am either flipping against them for my whole stack. They either suck out on me. Just this time they do have kk or aa against my 88 or 99. They outplay me. They fold when i really have somethin.

So all in all i feel like my edge is 40-60 against them at best.

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December 27, 2014 - 7:22 pm
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I won’t go into detail about the 3bet/4bet/5bet-wars etc because I think they are not the real issue. I think you need to learn more about variance in poker.
If, for example, you mainly play the huge tournaments on stars with 3000 to 30000 entrants, even if you make the correct decision (based on the information you have of course) every time with all your hands, there is a chance that you never make it to a final table after playing 200+ tournaments. Maybe this number is even higher like 400+. I don’t have the exact numbers, I just know that one of the most important things as soon as you have the fundamentals of good pokerplay is to understand a) good bankroll management and directly linked to that b) variance in MTTs.

Check out this fantastic blog on the issue: …..tt_pros_2/

Trust me, I joined TPE about 2 years ago and could feel the great improvements in my game after a relativly short period of time. Then I suffered from massive downswings, which again affected my game, because I began to doubt many of the decisions I made. I read a lot about variance, adjusted the avarage buy-in of my tournaments and tried to work hard on my game. I also worked hard on my mental game/tilt issues, preparation before playing etc. After a few months I had good results again. Then I suffered from losing-months again. Well, in the end I made the decision to stop playing on stars almost completely, because of the huge player fields and my mental-game problems I had when finishing a month playing over 1000 tournaments with -$1000 in my bankroll.
Now I play on sites with 100 to a max of 2000 players and am doing great. This is what did it for me.
Maybe I’ll return to stars, when I got a big enough bankroll to play larger stakes (which often offer tournaments with fewer players, drastically reducing variance).

Also, watching live-sweats and seeing even the best pros getting sucked out of their tournaments sooner or later may help you with this kind of problem. All the TPE content will give you the tools to become a great player, I am totally sure about that, so just be patient and work on all the different aspects of the game. Obviously you have some mental-game work to do, as you say you hate losing control etc. but if you study hard and gain a lot of experience just by playing, you have a good chance of overcoming this. I believe it will be crucial to success.

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December 28, 2014 - 9:00 am
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Well i am quite tiltproof though. See my introduction. To me it is actually bout what im writing, what topictitel says… Im not in denial and appreciate ur input. I agree with the fields of an mtt. So im focusing on sng up to 180. I dont like more then 1000 entries. Because its just too frustrating. When u reach the last 100 u allready have a massive stack, but all u get is a measly payout when u dont make the ft. I wish u could cash in then for buyins. If i could v done that i would v had at least 10 k profit. lol. Mentally is actually quite a strong side which ive been focusing on quite some years.

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December 28, 2014 - 10:34 am
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On the other hand, being results oriented has to do with it. Though i think im ready to get over that.

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