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Is it me? Did I somehow play this wrong? I ask because – if you check the “Bad Beat” section of the forum, you'll find I'm losing hands like this very often. Here's the set-up. It's early in a $2 turbo on Poker Stars….
Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t25/t50 Blinds – 9 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
milivanov (CO): BB = 4.6, t230
AKHE (BTN): BB = 14.6, t730
FRED RUSSO (SB): BB = 39.8, t1990
mesoanarchy (BB): BB = 34.2, t1710
jaja82 (UTG): BB = 100.6, t5030
brothers2010 (UTG+1): BB = 37.8, t1890
ramirocp (UTG+2): BB = 48.0, t2400
Sciolic (MP1): BB = 40.0, t2000
acesanddices (MP2): BB = 40.0, t2000
Pre Flop: (t75) mesoanarchy is BB with Q
Q
2 folds, ramirocp raises to t250, 4 folds, FRED RUSSO raises to t1000, mesoanarchy raises to t1710 all in, ramirocp raises to t2400 all in, FRED RUSSO calls t990 all in
Flop: (t5690) J
T 5 (3 players – 3 are all in)
Turn: (t5690) K
(3 players – 3 are all in)
River: (t5690) 6 (3 players – 3 are all in)
Final Pot: t5690
FRED RUSSO shows Q A (a straight, Ten to Ace)
mesoanarchy shows Q Q (a pair of Queens)
ramirocp shows T A (a pair of Tens)
FRED RUSSO wins t560
FRED RUSSO wins t5130
Without reads and at this buy in shoving QQ in preflop is +EV
But given the situation, would you have done the same JDog?… and by the way, I'm definitely down for the study group. Put me in!
mesoanarchy said:
But given the situation, would you have done the same JDog?… and by the way, I'm definitely down for the study group. Put me in!
Yup….I would have. Send me a Pm about the study group and I'll send you some info.
bad beat……played fine just keep playing…..volume is your solution if this is your only problem
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you definately played this correctly. hope for a better result next time just abit unlucky this time
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I think your shove here is fine. I would have done the same. Both of those raises are big (5x BB for first raise and 4x the initial raise for the re-raise) and against randoms usually reeks of a hand that they don't want people to come along and play so I think your shove with a strong starting hand is going to be good. When you shove the reraiser is going to come along because it just isn't to much more and I am not sure why the first guy called, but what the heck when you win these pots (and you will) it is just icing on the cake. Players you get coming along are going to be drawing thin against you (2 aces on the flop, 6 outs on the turn/river) so in the long run you will end up +EV for sure. Keep playing strong and get the volume in and it should balance out for you.
Shove is perfectly fine….you're being results oriented. You have 72% equity against both of your opponents. I don't know that this is a bad beat as it's pre-flop in a $2 tourney. You WANT these players playing with you and making these kinds of calls . Just keep getting it in good.
Thanks for the replies all. I was watching Wein's 100C Win live sweat and he talked about not letting the play of others get to him to the point of making a game out of some of his testier all-in situations. I thought a lot about what he was saying and really do “get it”; it's best to let go of the result, or even a decision once it's made. If I make a mistake, I gotta learn from it and move on. If I make a good play and get a poor result – that's poker.
I'm a relative newbie at the game coming from a competitive tennis background. It's a game where if you play well and you're better than your opponent, he can't beating you, period. Poker's waaaaay different. The biggest negative forever ROI donks can suddenly rise up with crazy good cards that make all their decisions so easy they win almost in spite of themselves.
In a $2 turbo just this morning the table I was at was besieged by this guy carrying a VPiP of 70 into the 125/250/25 blind mark. And when he was challenged, he was turning over AQ+, crazy nice hands. I took my time and chipped up. In mid-position I got AKhh. Dude raised UTG+1 4XBB to 1K. I flatted him. And ace came on the flop. He tossed in a 3.5k bet. I min-raised him, and he auto-shoved, as he had been for awhile. He turned AJo. My hand held and all of a sudden he looked human again. Fifteen minutes later he and his 80K chips were gone.
Lesson learned. It's me who must adjust my mind state.
Again, thanks everybody.
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