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June 11, 2012
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hi tpe nation,
history:
villain is mid to highstakes MTT reg. winning player. I 3bet him already twice. First he folded, 2nd time he r/c 21BB eff,
c/callt Kxx and lead turn.
He knows that i am a not a complete fish. dont know how much he knows about my game
i have him on 18/13 over 307hands with 31% CO raise, fold to 3bet 36% (12.5% 4bet)
whats your 3bet/calling range here?
Full Tilt Poker Game #33233251900: MiniFTOPS Event #4 (255705033), Table 30 – NL Hold'em – 100/200 Ante 20 – 22:08:37 CET – 2013/09/09 [16:08:37 ET – 2013/09/09]
Seat 1: MegaOlegator (7,479)
Seat 2: Zarzoor912 (6,310)
Seat 3: dontbesad01 (2,916)
Seat 4: Villain (4,732)
Seat 5: Velouxiotis (5,348)
Seat 6: florianm666 (11,262)
Seat 7: LeonP (6,415)
Seat 8: 810ofspades (10,662)
Seat 9: nsinger (4,975)
MegaOlegator antes 20
Zarzoor912 antes 20
dontbesad01 antes 20
Villain antes 20
Velouxiotis antes 20
florianm666 antes 20
LeonP antes 20
810ofspades antes 20
nsinger antes 20
florianm666 posts the small blind of 100
LeonP posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to florianm666 [XY]
810ofspades folds
nsinger folds
MegaOlegator folds
Zarzoor912 folds
dontbesad01 folds
Villain raises to 400
Velouxiotis folds
florianm666 raises to 1,111
LeonP folds
Villain raises to 4,712, and is all in
florianm666 calls 3,601
August 16, 2013
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I'm not a very math person, but I feel like I should call with ATs+, AJ+, 66+. His range is farely wide and you are to comitted. I thinl this is an OK range to call him down. I am also curious about other oppinions.
What did you and him had, anyway?
August 31, 2013
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Obviously it really depends on his 4bet range. Is he 4betting a merged range (55+, ATo+, A8s+, KQ…) or does he have a polarized range with some bluffs in it (hands la A2, K6s, 97s, etc…).
The range Andrei gives is pretty standard I guess but it may change if his range is polarized or merged, need some showdowns to have a better idea. This range also changes with history and dynamics.
If he is 4betting a lot and you want to avoid a tough decision you can also jam preflop, it's pretty big but against an agressive opponent it's sometimes the best solution to avoid him 4betting you (it would be better if BB was shorter)
June 11, 2012
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NoirDesir87 said:
Obviously it really depends on his 4bet range. Is he 4betting a merged range (55+, ATo+, A8s+, KQ…) or does he have a polarized range with some bluffs in it (hands la A2, K6s, 97s, etc…).
The range Andrei gives is pretty standard I guess but it may change if his range is polarized or merged, need some showdowns to have a better idea. This range also changes with history and dynamics.
If he is 4betting a lot and you want to avoid a tough decision you can also jam preflop, it's pretty big but against an agressive opponent it's sometimes the best solution to avoid him 4betting you (it would be better if BB was shorter)
i d say the range here would be more on the merged side. guess range is wider i would say. any Ax maxbe? any pair?
all suited broadways? some suited connectors?
cheers
March 8, 2013
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I think with the range you are putting him on, probably about 22+, ATs+, AJ+, QKs. Personally, I would be closer to Andrei's range based on the HUD stats, though.
August 16, 2013
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Yep, he might have a slightly more merged range, but he also knows that you have 2:1 for the call and it's for less of half of your stack, so this might titghten your range a little bit more. Weird spot, anyways…
June 11, 2012
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AndreiDRC said:
Yep, he might have a slightly more merged range, but he also knows that you have 2:1 for the call and it's for less of half of your stack, so this might titghten your range a little bit more. Weird spot, anyways…
well, i get 1.72:1 on my call. means i need 37%
i would assume he shoves 22+,Axs+,A7o+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, T9s
August 16, 2013
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Based on your assumptions, even T9o is close for the call. Axs+, KTo+, K7s+, A7o+, 22+, K7s+, Q8s+, QTo+, J8s+, JTo+, T8s+ should be your calling range, but it should be a little bit tighter if you think you have an edge over the table and you are close to the FT. In this case, foget about calling with J8. If life is tough on that table, just call with the bottom of this range. I am so curious of that hand. Can't wait to tell us, but we can still enjoy the thrill of not knowing, and I am also curious of other oppinions.
August 16, 2013
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I want to add that if it feels like a hard table, I would consider even a call with 56s, given the shoving range that you indicated. You have a 36.5% equity vs his range… not that bad 😉
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